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Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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Re: Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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At some point, theft becomes a more suitable word for it. No, because confounding usefully distinct concepts makes them less useful.

If Taxation at 100% is slavery, at what percentage is it not?

You answered yourself - slavery is not taxation, full stop. Fiddling about with numbers after a false premise is not going to lead you to truth.

Re: Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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If it were common for rich people to pay 44 percent of their income in tax, it wouldn't be a newsworthy story.

Are there people who receive millions of dollars in income via stock options who pay a lower rate? If so, how does that work?

Here's a Bloomberg article from 2012 that lists ten techniques: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-04-17/how-to-pa...

Re: Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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I think people care that the rich pay a smaller proportionate rate[1] than the poor. People who make under $19k a year pay twice the rate of those making $470k+ Comparing total of taxes paid and leaving it at that is generally a tactic to distract from the proportion problem. 1. http://www.itep.org/whopays/full_report.php

45% of Americans pay 0 federal income tax. That is a very small rate

That doesn't change the fact that people making $19k a year are paying more taxes proportionately than someone making $400k a year, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Are you suggesting someone makes less money so they pay less taxes? or are you just trying to change the subject?

Re: Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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Are there people who receive millions of dollars in income via stock options who pay a lower rate? If so, how does that work?

Here's a Bloomberg article from 2012 that lists ten techniques: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-04-17/how-to-pa...

It's worth mentioning that none of these techniques actually apply to the case where you exercise stock options - other than the one that says basically "take options as compensation if you can because you don't pay taxes until you exercise them" which is true for everyone who gets options (because you don't get any liquidity) not just rich people with expensive accountants.

The only techniques that apply to income taxes are the "borrow against stock technique" (has a big caveat about a rich person who lost in court when he used it) and the deferred compensation example (which is also zero liquidity; presumably you pay all of the income taxes when you actual get the money).

The article makes a better case for ways to avoid death taxes or real estate taxes though.

Re: Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016

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Not that long ago we had 90% tax rate (70% effective) in USA. It's been plummeting since WWII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United...

That was a nominal but not realistic rate for the very wealthy / high income. IIRC, dividends were not taxed at that rate. More info from this commentor: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14168781

70% effective as I wrote.

Today's top rates are no different, in that people including corporate artifcial ones don't pay it.

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