Canada is North America’s up-and-coming startup center

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 7:36 AM UTC

pbourke wrote: post #147

k-mcgrady wrote: post #145

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It might be better to look at the US as an outlier here. Those Canadian salaries (esp if they're slightly low based on the other comments here) don't see too dissimilar to what's available in the UK (outside London which has higher salaries for every job due to cost of living). At the end of the day, those 'low' salaries are only low relatively. They are more than enough for most people and only a reason to move sout…

> At the end of the day, those 'low' salaries are only low relatively. They are more than enough for most people and only a reason to move south if your main driver is money. Otherwise they're good enough. The average Canadian house costs $585k now[0]. That's over 10x these average Canadian tech salaries. Housing prices contributed to our decision to move from Toronto to Seattle 10 years ago. I imagine that they are…

Post by seanmcdirmid » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 7:48 AM UTC

anuj_nm wrote: post #152

minwcnt5 wrote: post #77

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$80K CAD is $59K USD, which is not that much different than the original post. $160K CAD = $119K USD is fairly good, but most developers with 17 years experience would take home north of $200K in Silicon Valley (I'm not familiar with other US markets). All the anecdotes still seem to point to software engineers making more than double in the US. I would love to return to Canada some day, but I'm not likely to do so u…

If you're living in Canada, you're spending money in CAD. I don't think its fair to convert Canadian salaries to USD to make the comparison. Still, $160K CAD is considerably less than $200K USD.

Post by ido » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 8:07 AM UTC

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those numbers are ridiculously low even if in US dollars as I assume they are. I don't put much stock in the StackOverflow survey. Then put stock in a the words of a guy who has actually looked for employment in Canada, and after the election of Trump is very incentivized to take a positive view on moving to Canada: as far as I can tell from the salaries posted, I'd take about a 50% pay cut, and I wouldn't be able to…

If salaries and housing prices in Canada were at all reasonable, I know many fellow Canadians would move back from the Bay area in an instant. Toronto is the other major tech center which is stupidly priced (hopefully the new govt measures slow things down). If you can speak french, consider Montreal.

Post by ruairidhwm » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 8:23 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #150

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> At the end of the day, those 'low' salaries are only low relatively. They are more than enough for most people and only a reason to move south if your main driver is money. Otherwise they're good enough. The average Canadian house costs $585k now[0]. That's over 10x these average Canadian tech salaries. Housing prices contributed to our decision to move from Toronto to Seattle 10 years ago. I imagine that they are…

Well, as long as we are compare to the U.K. also, Canadian and American real estate often look like a bargain. The thing about Canada is that Nafta makes it easy to move south, while in the U.K. going to the USA is not as simple.

Post by CalRobert » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 8:34 AM UTC

afsina wrote: post #146

bootload wrote: post #142

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"The gap here is smaller ($30k vs. $50k) but still significant." Healthcare, stability and democracy (sans land/house prices) make up a lot for this.

I don't see people flocking even after Trump won.