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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by walshemj »

noxToken wrote: post #113
ynniv wrote: post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

I don't think that's necessarily Apple's fault. Desktops/towers (much to my chagrin) are largely a thing of a bygone era. No matter where I go, everyone is on a laptop, and that's what allows the employee to be mobile.

I think that "everyone" work shopping some me to ecommerce biz down starbucks is what most people consider the Pro end of the biz

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by karpodiem »

highpass wrote: post #99

I would like to point out that their research seems lacking. The industry is not "moving to one big GPU". The industry has already moved to 4, 6, or 8 "big" GPUs per station/node.

This is a well honed Apple bullshit technique called 'clouding' - http://www.fakesteve.net/2010/06/there-is-no-spoon.html

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by wlesieutre »

pier25 wrote: post #140
granda wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you recommend for someone that wants to build one?

I've been building hacks (as the community calls them) since 2010. If you get a golden build and get it working it's almost like a real mac. It's possible to get everything working 100% but it's time consuming and even in the best case scenario macOS updates will probably be a pain. Another aspect to consider is noise. If you come from the Mac world you are probably spoiled by low noise or silent computers. PCs are v…

If anyone's looking for information on silent PCs, http://silentpcreview.com/ is a handy resource.

I briefly ran a hackintosh when my Biostar motherboard died and I was frustrated with how slow my old Macbook Air was running. Pretty simple process: replaced it with a Gigabyte, downloaded an installer image from my Mac, and used to TonyMac tools to set it up. Unfortunately wasn't able to get Xcode to work reliably. Everything else seemed to work but Xcode was a crashfest.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by pier25 »

Many people have already moved to Windows, Linux, and hackintosh. If Apple wants to win them back it will need to offer something really good in specs, features, and specially price.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

teekert wrote: post #76

I though it was gonna take Adobe saying: "We are working on CS for the latest Ubuntu LTS" before this was going to happen.

I'd love to see a market analysis regarding how many people stick with OS X only because they (a) need Adobe CS and (b) can't/won't use Windows.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by mmjaa »

jacquesm wrote: post #134
manyxcxi wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll second that. I've had very good luck with my conversion on my old MBP so far. I have a late 2009 kicking around the house, basically a web browsing computer or backup machine if I leave my newer model in the office, etc. Since I couldn't get the latest macOS on it I figured I'd just wipe it and install a Linux distro- all told I was maybe an hour into the process and had Ubuntu 16.10 running like a champ. The bu…

Lubuntu desktop may be more to your liking, it's very simple (almost spartan).

For Mac users switching to Linux, I would highly recommend using Ubuntu Studio, since it comes preconfigured for Multimedia production and has a ton of applications onboard that would make your average MacOS user double-take and re-think the position that "there is no creative software on Linux", because my friends, there is a huge plethora of creative apps for Linux, and Ubuntu Studio demonstrates that in spades...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by SippinLean »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #145
SippinLean wrote: post #138

I understand the consumer market for, say pre-built Dell desktops with an i3 you get your mom for surfing the web. What graphics professional isn't assembling their own rig though? $3k is a LOT of money to spend on a desktop. I'm old enough to remember dedicated SGI workstations, and a decade ago I felt OSX had some advantages in graphics, I can't think of any of those that exist today, at least to justify such a hug…

My wife has a photography business. Photoshop and Lightroom are essential tools for her. Right now she uses Windows 7 Pro. We can't stay on it long-term because of security (and eventually driver) issues. Migrating to Windows 10 (non-enterprise) isn't an option because the forced updates are an unacceptable risk to downtime, especially at certain points in her business calendar (e.g., highschool yearbook photo season…

I'm not here to sing Windows' praises, Win10 has had it share of annoyances for me, but I've just set it (non-enterprise) to have to prompt me for updates, there are no forced updates. If that is the big feature that has you prepared to spend a hefty premium you might look into it further.

> Photoshop and Lightroom are essential tools

Those are in the cloud now, and performance is mostly based on your GPU.

>Truth be told, it will likely be overkill for her needs, and definitely overpriced.

>We'd migrate her business to a Mac Pro because OS X doesn't have Windows 10's problems

This is insightful, thank you.

>because we can probably recover from a hardware failure quickly due to the system's expected modularity

Every hand-built PC will be just as or more modular though. If that's your concern, look at, say the Mac Minis with the RAM soldered in, I love Apple industrial design but don't like how hard it is to upgrade the hardware, generally.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

samdoshi wrote: post #80

This feels very reactionary to me. That fact that the new Mac Pros will not be out till next year makes it sound like they've only started working on it quite recently, perhaps in response to the furore over their treatment of their professional users.

That was my initial reaction as well. But after parsing their quotes a little more carefully, I don't see anything implying that they just started.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by whatusername »

mcculley wrote: post #121

Every time the topic comes up of Apple ceding the high performance market, I wonder: What are developers at Apple using? Some in-house hackintosh?

Maybe I'm not doing enough development.... As a development machine - what is a top spec iMac/MBP missing that you would need a hackintosh?
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