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UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

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Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

#151

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> How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It's basically impossible. One can also use steganography to hide messages in lolcat pictures, or music files. The only way to prevent this, I think, is to start a totalitarian surveillance state where using Free or custom software or hardware is punishable by death. Even then, I'm not sure this will be enough.

Given that even the most totalitarian states eventually fail and don't ever have complete and total control over the entire populace, I think you're correct that it will not be enough. What they really need is to invent time travel, and murder Ada Lovelace.

That should be a canonical test for the implausibility of any policy. "Do we need to invent a time machine for this to work?"

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

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So they get a backdoor into WhatsApp and terrorists just move onto some other non-compromised tool. Rinse and repeat. You can't ban maths ffs. TBH I am surprised attackers do not better destroy their electronic equipment just before they carry out their attack. Pop your phone and SSD/flash drives in the microwave on high for a few minutes is pretty much going to destroy all evidence on them, and if not then chances a…

It's in the interest of the terrorists to get WhatsApp banned.

Terrorists just use something else while the populace feels gradually more oppressed/controlled/...

In a way they get something for nothing.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

#153

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UK's best shot at surviving Brexit is become stronger on value added industries. They have a very good head start over any other EU country in IT and in some research areas. Amber Rudd seems hell bent on destroying their only chance.

They all are intent on crippling any chance the UK has at becoming stronger in high tech industries. I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information about a drug (pharmaceutical, not just "weed LSD and lols"). Great fucking way to encourage your future chemists. Maybe ban keywords like JavaScript, PHP and SQL while at it, them's the powerful drugs maaan.

> I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information

Switch ISP, or contact your current one to disable this. They don't all do it by default, or at all.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

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How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.

She's probably being led by the intelligence services on this, and of course they have ulterior motives, their ultimate project is to collect all signals, or as many as they can manage, which apps like whatsapp are thwarting at present. Why can't we collect all the signals all the time? This is incredibly dangerous for our society, no-one should have that much power. That power isn't about terrorism (or even very use…

Probably more blackmailed than led by the intelligence services. This is why the deep state is so intent on surveilling the politicians. And why when they discover the political class engaging in crimes they do not bring them to justice (like the Westminster paedophilia scandal). They like to keep all their dirt on file so they are easily controlled and can be forced to enact the draconian laws the deep state wants.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

#156

Dear minister, can I whisper in my wife's ear while having sex or do I have to get permission from government?

can I talk to myself using my inner monologue please ?

only if it involves something deemed legal by the Thought Police and the Party.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

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How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.

You're forgetting that this has always been possible, and not all adversaries are capable, bother, or aware of what they could do.

I expect it's quite likely this one was using WhatsApp because that's what he used; not because he read about its end-to-end encryption.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK's best shot at surviving Brexit is become stronger on value added industries. They have a very good head start over any other EU country in IT and in some research areas. Amber Rudd seems hell bent on destroying their only chance.

They all are intent on crippling any chance the UK has at becoming stronger in high tech industries. I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information about a drug (pharmaceutical, not just "weed LSD and lols"). Great fucking way to encourage your future chemists. Maybe ban keywords like JavaScript, PHP and SQL while at it, them's the powerful drugs maaan.

One word, my friend: VPN.

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

#159
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How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.

Ultimately this type of "lone wolf" attackers will not communicate at all and what are they going to do next?

Install a device on one's head?

Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable

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post #95

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> Hey, guys, I just had a great idea. Let's ban bombs, knifes, and driving into people. That would fix the terrorism problem. They started banning guns almost a century ago. While it did probably reduce the number of gun murders, it certainly didn't make terrorist organisation like the IRA any less effective — and it probably made non-gun crime worse. Possessing encryption tools, lockpicks, knives, guns &c. is a fund…

Shouldn't possessing surveillance tools be a fundamental human right in this hypothetical scenario?

No, because we also have the right to privacy.
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