I wonder how many electric cars Norway would have bought if it didn't made that much money selling oil...
I see what you are saying, but they could have chosen to pump oil and drive guzzlers too. Yet they didn't.
Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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ICE vehicles are still considerably cheaper compared to EV. Show me a 10,000-15,000 euro electric hatchback that I'd be able to drive for 10+ years without having to purchase expensive batteries every 4-5 years and I'd buy it.
The Mahindra e2o Plus is priced between 10-15K USD (but currently only available in India I think) https://www.mahindrae2oplus.com/ I've owned an older model for 4+ years now. I haven't seen any drop in battery performance yet and the company says the battery should last 8+ years without problems. I can believe that based on my experience. The older model is available in the UK. https://mahindrauk.com
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Tesla only sold 2 vehicles in Denmark in 2016, dropping from 2800 sold in 2015. This was after the Danish government added the regular registration tax to electric vehicles. That supports the commentators point of view. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&tl=en&u=h...
For those skeptical there could be such a big drop, useful background is that the Danish registration tax for new vehicles is 150% of the purchase price (with roughly the first €10k exempted). Previously it was 180% of the purchase price above €10k, but electric cars were exempted. An agreement was reached among several parties in 2015 to lower the overall rate from 180% to 150%, but to phase out the electric-car exe…
A 150% "ownership" tax is also in effect in Singapore. The result is fewer cars, less congestion, and tons of tax money to be invested in public transportation.
I guess the system works as well in Denmark as it did in Singapore (I lived in Singapore form 2010 to 2012).
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It's easy to see government as representative of the people when you live in a small country, or if you're thinking about your local government. When a government has 300 million+ people to represent, it needs to have very limited responsibilities and powers, because the common interests of so many people are very limited. That is (cargo culting political attitudes aside) largely why the American relationship with th…
I’m not sure that the total size of the population is what matters here. It’s the lack of representation. Back when the USA started, we had 33,000 person-units per Representative. Now we have over 700,000 people per Representative in all but the tiniest states, and those Representatives are only going to listen to the biggest and most obnoxious voices out of those 700,000. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/09/opinion/flynn-…
Alternatively, shift the center of power that has become entirely too federal (IMO) back to the states, whereby it's easier to actually listen to your constituents on matters that could be done just as well (in some cases better) at a more local level.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#155I wonder how many electric cars Norway would have bought if it didn't made that much money selling oil...
I see what you are saying, but they could have chosen to pump oil and drive guzzlers too. Yet they didn't.
EVs are a status symbol, either of wanting to protect the environment or project your pocket book, often at the same time.
Oslo is basically one big outdoor showroom for Tesla. Four of them passed me while I was waiting for a bus.
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> the government may encourage new complexes to add plugs by default, etc. No need. Any semi-premium builder is more than happy to add features to their spec sheet, and 240V outlets are nothing special. Retro-fitting older places is where things get expensive and iffy.
Keyword: semi-premium. Electric vehicles are only accessible to the rich at the moment. We need to make it possible for poorer people to get electric vehicles too.
I always find myself chiming in that poor people typically buy used cars. And that you can buy a slightly used Nissan Leaf off craigslist for less than $10,000 USD. Financed over 5 years that's about $150/mo.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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I see what you are saying, but they could have chosen to pump oil and drive guzzlers too. Yet they didn't.
EVs are a status symbol, either of wanting to protect the environment or project your pocket book, often at the same time. Oslo is basically one big outdoor showroom for Tesla. Four of them passed me while I was waiting for a bus.
And yet, what is a status symbol is a product of the culture.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#158Having owned a Nissan LEAF for the last 2.5 years has been really great. Maintenance is almost nothing, the battery has held up fantastic and the car is a real pleasure to drive. Never having to stop for gas or get oil changes sounds like not a big deal but it is really nice. Every morning the LEAF has a full charge. I think the Bolt and other 200+ mile range vehicles that are fairly affordable will help get more peo…
I'd buy electric BMW X1. I don't get why BMW has to put an electric motor in something as ugly as i3. Why not put it in 3 series?
That was my biggest beef with electric cars. I found all these new designs repulsive and was puzzled by the fact that by some universal law, any electric car must come with an ugly design. As soon as regular-looking ones started appearing, I got one (an e-Golf) and a year into it, cannot be happier with it.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#159I wonder how many electric cars Norway would have bought if it didn't made that much money selling oil...
The main reason for the many electric cars are the tax incentives. It would certainly been a lot fewer Teslas and more Nissan Leafs or similar cars if it had not been for the oil. The tax incentive came when the Think City line of cars was produced in Norway (starting in the late 90s) and was introduced to establish a market for electric cars. Since very few electric cars was sold, this was not very expensive, and few took electric cars seriously at the time.
Nobody had anticipated Tesla and similar cars, but now a lot of people had electric cars, and then it was politically difficult to remove the tax incentives.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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ICE vehicles are still considerably cheaper compared to EV. Show me a 10,000-15,000 euro electric hatchback that I'd be able to drive for 10+ years without having to purchase expensive batteries every 4-5 years and I'd buy it.
The Mahindra e2o Plus is priced between 10-15K USD (but currently only available in India I think) https://www.mahindrae2oplus.com/ I've owned an older model for 4+ years now. I haven't seen any drop in battery performance yet and the company says the battery should last 8+ years without problems. I can believe that based on my experience. The older model is available in the UK. https://mahindrauk.com
How safe it is? Indian cars are infamous for their zero star safety rating.