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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Opportunities are not categorically good things. I, for one, want laws that make it harder to sell my vote or my kidney.

Those are far-off examples. Granted, perhaps in some cases people should be prevented from doing something utterly stupid but that shouldn't keep us from exploring opportunities in general. Just because kids occasionally hurt themselves during play they shouldn't be forbidden to play.

Would you want to be able to change your brain so that you can productively work 70 hours per week? I wouldn't - it'd quickly become the standard against which you're measured, while the rewards for passing the test stay about the same.

There's a similar argument to be made for being able to share your life on facebook - it displaces alternative interpersonal interactions, so you have the same amount of human connection except with your social graph sold to marketers.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Why would I want people sharing news? If I want to read about what's going on with the world, I'll read a news site. If I want to know what's going on with my friends' lives, I'll read facebook.

Your friends may not share your highly compartmentalized approach to socializing. For many people events in politics directly impact their lives; it seems to me you're asking that your friends refrain from disturbing you with information you don't want to know about.

There's a word for people who can't refrain from sharing their political opinions with their friends: they're called prats.

Unfortunately facebook in its current implementation seems hellbent on encouraging people to be prats.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Exit rights are extraordinarily important for maintaining negotiation power with the powerful institutions in your life. If you don't like the way England is doing things, you can leave - and this puts a limit on what England does, since it doesn't want you to leave. If you don't like Facebook or other global institutions, there's no effective way to opt out.

You honestly think that quitting Facebook is harder than changing countries? Opting out from your country is currently near impossible for most people, and the only reason it is possible for the few who can is globalism. The place where moving between countries is the easiest is the E.U. and that's precisely because of the supra-national structure. I am not a centralist when it comes to the official international ins…

Quitting Facebook doesn't effectively prevent it from affecting you and your social network.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Any publically shared video will prompt me to log in and not let me view it https://www.facebook.com/KSEE24/videos/10154851102274927/ as an example

Thanks for the reply! Just to check: At that link I see a "To see more from KSEE24 News on Facebook, log in or create an account." dialog which has a "Not Now" link that mostly collapses the dialog. Do you see the same thing or something else?

When I click on the play button, it opens a new tab that says "You must log in first." with the login prompt below.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Thanks for the reply! Just to check: At that link I see a "To see more from KSEE24 News on Facebook, log in or create an account." dialog which has a "Not Now" link that mostly collapses the dialog. Do you see the same thing or something else?

When I click on the play button, it opens a new tab that says "You must log in first." with the login prompt below.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying! That's not what I see; I'll try to figure out why that happens.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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"In times like these, the most important thing we at Facebook can do is develop the social infrastructure to give people the power to build a global community that works for all of ^us^."

'Us' includes: Three letter agencies, marketeers and other data gathering companies.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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But the point is that the tables flipped entirely. Go back to 1990's and you'll find GOP senators decrying Rage Against The Machine as communist radicals for their opposition to NAFTA. A big chunk of the GOP is still pro-free-markets. If core parts of what "left" and "right" mean are subject to re-definition every 4 years, maybe the polarized tail is wagging the dog.

No - the tables have not flipped. There is 'global left/right' and 'local/national left/right' now. The 'global left' is exemplified by UN. The 'global right' exemplified by WTO. Often, the 'global' version of a movement can be in conflict with the 'local' version. This is seen clearly: 'global leftists' care about migrants - a lot - but immigration can be hurtful to the working class of the host nation. Mass importa…

To the upper classes, Globalism means the ability to invest in and control labor and material, internationally, for their own benefit. The objective being if the upper classes in multiple countries have their economic livelihoods intertwined, then stability is improved for all. The upper classes have a motivation to provide security for their progeny, so they tend to erect walls to technological progress and form monopolies and oligopolies. As we all know, the first generation builds the business, second generation runs it, and the third ruins it; this is a constant for small businesses and huge organizations. The best solution that has been found is to produce a system of elite schools and elite jobs where the working class could never hope to enter due to the expense.

Due to this, you end up with conflicting viewpoints between upper classes in different countries being resolved on the back of the market. What the working class see's is a system that, on the outside, looks fair, but once you delve any deeper than the surface, you realize it's a system of men not rules; the IRS tax code, for example, cannot be understood by one person, it can only be understood and executed upon by an organization. That's the point of many laws, and how arbitrage is executed against individuals.

As one example of this; I once interviewed at a company named Catamaran, who's entire existence was based upon taking complex contract terms for prescription drugs and lining them up with insurance plans. We've got a medical industry, insulated completely from anti-trust law, producing a massive economic distortion from being able to do things that in any other industry would be criminal. In the middle of this industry, there's a multi-billion dollar company that does prescription management largely for drugs that are developed to treat symptoms instead of resolve diseases. Thousands of people doing a largely useless paper shuffling job.

By contrast, I work for a tiny forging company, not even 100 people, and one of the products that company manufactures allowed an international automotive company to undercut the competition by enabling their autos to reduce fuel mileage by a substantial percentage and they are currently cleaning the floor with every other manufacturer out there. Similarly, we have other products for the energy industry that have were similarly innovative.

Ultimately, this system generates wage arbitrage as a waste product and wage arbitrage generates the erosion of culture as a byproduct; the upper classes increasingly chase values so abstract and divided from reality that have absolutely nothing to do with delivering real value to society or getting anything done. I make peanuts compared to what I could make working at a place like Catamaran, but on the same token, working at Catamaran, frankly like working at most silicon valley companies, wouldn't be honest or meaningful work. The company I work at right now has an authentic culture; Catamaran was, like most companies, a faceless mass with no culture (except for political correctness and other Marxist\leftist ideals which isn't a culture unto itself) to speak of.

Ultimately, globalism as it is right now is self-destructive; we waste our time running around in circles to provide a few elites job security. Technology, as the atom bomb taught us, is sometimes terrifying, and it's going to happen whether we are ready for it or not. Our best and brightest need to be leading, and society needs to have the freedom to choose its own culture and values. Without that, much like face-book today, you're a train headed on a predefined set of track for a cliff.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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My god it sounds like the philosophical ideals of somebody plucked straight from the Star Trek universe. Are silicon valley billionaires really this detached from reality? The reason globalization is coming to a screeching halt is that human cultures vary so much. It's slowly going away, but in general for a belief to truly die off; everyone that believes in it needs to be dead. This gives us around 70 years before t…

Change occurs in bursts and spurts. Perhaps we are seeing some backlash to the current wave of globalism. But do you really think the fundamental forces that push us towards globalism will stop?

As barriers to communication and travel continue to diminish over time, cultural diffusion will naturally increase, leading toward the major differences being smoothed over. We will become well acquainted.

Eventually, we will reach some point of "globalism saturation". But it seems to me that, currently, there is plenty of opportunity for continued melding of cultures and people groups. This is a natural process that is unfolding, an emergent dynamic resulting from our social nature and changing technological context.

We've barely begun, especially when considering future tech advances that will further reduce many of the artificial, anachronistic barriers between people groups. Most large differences in culture are just accidents of history and distance, not fixed, immovable characteristics.

Of course, we shouldn't blindly proceed. New, important concerns will spring up as the world gets smaller. Surveillance is one obvious example. There will be many more, and we will have to remain vigilant.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Its very hard to see facebook raising in my expectations.

I'm really against facebooks spying, hiding and deleting people's account culture.

Also forcing people in these small ghettos gives to me strong claustrophobia feelings.

Also calling users "Dumb f.." is really low..

Nope Mark, cannot see this happening.

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