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Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by spoiledtechie »

projectramo wrote: post #115
program_whiz wrote: post #34

Ok what's the suprise here? If you give companies a chance to get cheaper "mostly the same" labor without a downside, or maybe with the upside they can't leave, they're going to take it. That's why I do believe globalization and the availability of huge amounts of cheap unregulated labor does hurt American jobs and industry. Its not xenophobia, its just common sense. I think if you look past any ideas of racism, xeno…

There have been many studies on this. Conservatives usually use the phrase "at best, the impact is nil" Liberals usually use the phrase "at worst, the impact is nil" Because the study shows there is negligible impact. Every laborer is also a spender. If the person saves, then every laborer is also an investor. If you believe in the mainstream economic theory, more jobs are produced for the ones that are "taken." You…

Every job taken from Americans is another American taking from the system. Taking tax money. So its not as easy as you would think either.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by t1o5 »

bayer_rggb wrote: post #79
t1o5 wrote: post #29

ex H1B here. Yes Trump is right.(though I do not like him personally, he is right in this matter) Most of the corporate America is exploiting H1B workers. I have worked in one of those firms and I have friends in many other firms. These are not Indian body shops, these are American companies. Everyone's topic of discussion when we hangout is how our H1B visas were being exploited and there is nothing we could do abou…

Did you hire a lawyer to do the paperwork or did you do it yourself ?

No lawyers needed. Its a simple online system. If you have the skills and you can prove it( IELTS,work experience,your degrees), the system awards you the points. No employers needed, no lawyers needed, you are totally in control of your visa. This is the beauty of this system. There is no place for bad apples like the H1B in this skills based system. You cannot fake it.

"May the skilled ones win"

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by afastow »

CodeSheikh wrote: post #57

"..the company can’t prevent the departure of Americans.." this is part of the problem. I have seen people (especially young ones) jumping ships in less than six months from startup to startup in SV because of the competitive market salary. Even though larger companies can take this hit but for a startup of <10 employees this can prove to be very detrimental. I agree that Indian consultancies have been abusing the H1…

The solution is not making it harder for US citizens to move around(which is basically impossible anyway), it's making it much easier for H-1B workers to move around so everyone is on the same playing field.

The ability to move quickly from company to company is not a bad thing. I don't believe it causes startups to fail, it just accelerates the process for ones that already weren't going to make it. Few people want to jump ship if they believe their startup is going to be successful. If after six months though they feel that it's not going to make it there is no reason to wait to go down with the ship.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by anjc »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #32
at-fates-hands wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> There is no way SV would have grown to what it is now without foreign talent. So the shortage has been real for the last 30+ years. Not sure why this point is still controversial. Mainly because we have over 7 million people unemployed. The controversy is why are we bringing in so many foreign workers when we have so many people out of work here? The argument basically comes down to what would we need to do to get…

Realistically, most of our 7 million unemployed are unemployed by choice. They are unwilling to do many jobs they perceive as being "below their station" and they are unwilling to move to places where the jobs are. We need to import a better working class to pay for our leisure class since pushing our leisure class into work is considered socially unacceptable. Here's a great first person account of this: http://www.…

The last major study I saw on this showed that a large proportion of IT and STEM graduates had to move into unrelated industries due to an inability to find employment.

This meme that there are hordes of people who would choose poverty because of an unwillingness to work is disgusting.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by dominotw »

pscsbs wrote: post #125
yummyfajitas wrote: post #22

I'll just suggest that it's probably a great time for tech companies to open a Bangalore or Gurgaon office. Bangalore in particular is a good choice - the people are smart, the infrastructure is good, and it's a very pleasant place to visit. Perfect weather all year and the best breakfast in India. Also a very strong tech culture; second in the world to SF, in my view, and without many of the social pathologies [1] t…

You must be joking about the infrastructure. Moving even a few kilometers can take hours due to all the traffic and lack of public transportation.

>can take hours

Bunch of my friends suffer from a chronic cough and throat irritation from being exposed to traffic everyday. Not to mention the psychological fatigue that totally saps you before you even get to work.

There is no way to escape constant air and sound pollution.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by pkaye »

RestlessMind wrote: post #122
pkaye wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that age figures so heavily into this scoring system...

But pretty logical, no? You don't want someone to migrate to your country in his late 50's / early 60's, contribute to your economy for a few token years and then piggyback on your medical welfare system for rest of 15-20 years. Whats the incentive for local citizens to welcome immigrants in that case? (And no, I don't want to consider rare examples of superstars in their 60's. I am just talking about average Joe's).

Some studies (search Google) have shown the average age of an entrepreneur is around 40. And I'd like to see the backlash the US would get from the world if they implemented many of these criteria.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by MrZongle2 »

myf01d wrote: post #143
woah wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger of radical Islam?? That one's in the mix just for an extra dose of racist nationalism. They'll stop fighting us once we stop occupying their countries.

Radical islam is the real danger on the west, I come from a middle eastern country and as an ex-muslim I know very well the danger of the islamization that has been going on in western Europe throughout the past 3 decades.

Well, I'm sure that won't stop many "enlightened" individuals from lecturing you. Unfortunately.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by swat535 »

t1o5 wrote: post #29

ex H1B here. Yes Trump is right.(though I do not like him personally, he is right in this matter) Most of the corporate America is exploiting H1B workers. I have worked in one of those firms and I have friends in many other firms. These are not Indian body shops, these are American companies. Everyone's topic of discussion when we hangout is how our H1B visas were being exploited and there is nothing we could do abou…

As another Canadian, we need more people like you here! You guys make a significant contribution to our country :)

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by michel-slm »

omouse wrote: post #123
shas3 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this fixation on Silicon Valley is dumb. The worst affected will really be other industries. Small wonder that Lofgren who is a Bay-Area Representative is the one sponsoring the auction system. Many Si valley jobs for which H1Bs are hired are generalist in nature. And it is for generic programmer jobs that you have potential for wage abuse. But outside Si valley, for much lesser wages, companies rely on highly s…

The fixation on Silicon Valley isn't dumb when wages were deliberately suppressed by Google, Apple, Adobe and others. The big tech companies really do want to keep salaries low and H1Bs can help them with that, along with paying for the really smart people that they can bring in too.

Except that Google, Facebook, Cisco would gladly sponsor you for green card - if they're gaming the system they would surely try to string you along until you've used up your H1B renewal before doing that?

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Post by program_whiz »

projectramo wrote: post #145
program_whiz wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because the study shows there is negligible impact. Every laborer is also a spender. If the person saves, then every laborer is also an investor. See the sweatshops, guess they are just "another spender": http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Ins...

I said immigration may not cost jobs. And you responded with poverty is bad. If that was a response to what I said, I don't see how.

Your point was that the impact of using non-American labor was essentially nil in every study ever done. My point was that replacing a $25 / hr union factory worker who has healthcare and PTO, with a $2/hr factory worker in a "suicide sweatshop" is not nil. You said that in general, the replacement workers are just economic spenders too, and I provided a counter example (don't seem like these Chinese workers are likely to buy $800 iphones anytime soon).
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