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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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People vastly underestimate how massive, complex and heterogenous the likes of Target, Home Depot, Walmart's stacks are. I've worked with people very used to working with enormously complex systems and even they say Walmart etc is on the higher end of that scale. We're talking weeks of people on site to get new software stood up. This isn't to diminish your point about the need for upgrades, but it's nothing like a p…

Shouldn't these stores standardize on vendors? Why would they use different vendors which only adds to complexity unless they've bought out a different store chain and are integrating existing systems? Also, they should pay the vendors contracts for maintenance instead of trying to do the upgrades themselves. The vendors are generally more likely to do the testing necessary and have the skills for upgrading systems a…

Even if they do standardize on vendors, they're then also dependent on, say, Oracle Retail supporting a given platform.

If you want your POS to talk to your marketing automation system, that's another integration and maybe another vendor who Oracle may or may not wish to support etc.

There's no way for a bank to standardize on vendors as it's back office systems might have been designed in the 1980s. If it wants to add an iPhone app or mobile payments, it has to rely on another vendor almost automatically.

Making these stacks work generates huge revenues for people like CA, Automic, IBM. Process automation is big business. Big meaty huge Fortune 500 companies held together with the software equivalent of sticky tape.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Interesting, readers of HN should know that upgrades to the newest version of Windows and updates is essential for reasons of software security. Newer versions of Windows incorporates security measures not in older versions -- sometimes even taking advantages of new security features in Intel hardware. For example, Target and Home Depot were hacked because they failed to upgrade their point-of-sale hardware from Wind…

People vastly underestimate how massive, complex and heterogenous the likes of Target, Home Depot, Walmart's stacks are. I've worked with people very used to working with enormously complex systems and even they say Walmart etc is on the higher end of that scale. We're talking weeks of people on site to get new software stood up. This isn't to diminish your point about the need for upgrades, but it's nothing like a p…

This is interesting. Could you give a bit more detail?

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Correct! Compare it to a group that care about their PC, i.e. gamers, 50% of Steam users run Windows 10. https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-hardware-survey-windows-10-ad...

Maybe I'm misreading your comment but I think you're implying that people who care (like gamers) are less likely to be using Windows 10, but it's the opposite - 50% is far higher than the total market share Windows 10 has. If I misunderstood your meaning, then this comment can just be a clarification instead of a correction :)

Presumably gamers are after newer directx versions, which are only provided in windows10, no?

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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I think you're right, looks like it was only fixed for Edge. Discussion of technical challenge is here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20150129-00/?p=...

It got better for Edge after anniversary update. But I would not call that "fixed", because it is not on par with ClearType. Microsoft can go fuck himself, I am not going change my monitor/hardware everytime he wants. I would be much much happy with my Fedora/Ubuntu, or if I want good support there is always apple much superior to Microsoft.

Apple uses grayscale font rendering too, not even pixel aligned. It looks nice because all of their devices are high DPI.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

All the time I've invested in acclimating to Windows 10 feels like a burden, while all the time I have spent tweaking OSx feels delightful. People don't hate change...we hate change that is painful. Windows 10 (to me) embodies painful change.

A lot of people resist change to things they are familiar with.

Between each significant revision of Apple's desktop OS, my mother would get frustrated at settings that were moved elsewhere/renamed/removed entirely, for example. OSX is no stranger to unnecessary changes (or at least that's what my mother thinks of them).

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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I am a manager at a small architecture firm and Windows 10 has brought nothing but woe to my office. We have spent dozens of hours and thousands of dollars troubleshooting and fixing problems (many of which remain unresolved) that occurred as a result of this draconian forced upgrade (and updates that followed). So what if we got the upgrade for free. I've paid for it many times over in labor!

Every time I hear about updates being "forced," yes, Microsoft did some shady things to trick non-tech people into the upgrade which I agree is shady. However any competent IT manager would know how to stop that from happening. Even a cursory google search shows you how to remove the windows update that starts the upgrade. Also all computers on a network domain will not auto update. Each time I read of an IT manager who says he/she was "tricked" into upgrading all I read is "Incompetent IT Manager Makes Massive Mistake"

EDIT: I should probably reference the single small command that stops the bugging notifications and upgrade. Open admin level command line:

wusa /uninstall /KB:3035583

Re: The woes of Windows 10

#157
Just ditch win and m$ and get freedom with linux. You're all just giving up your rights for privacy and your freedom to get locked to a company doing malicious shit for decades in exchange for a few exclusive apps. Unreasonable...

Re: The woes of Windows 10

#158
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How was this upgrade forced on you? I use several machines that are still happily running Win7 and 8.

They had a dialog saying "Hey, do you want to upgrade?" and if you closed it or said no it would leave you alone for a bit. Then it would pop up and say "Hey, do you want to upgrade?" and if you said no it would leave you alone but if you closed it it would assume you were okay with it. I know a lot of people who woke up one morning and their computer was running Windows 10 without their approval, despite having said…

Right, I am not saying that these dialogs did not exist, were not terrible, and some people did not take the time to read them and inadvertently scheduled an update...

However, I am interested in how this happened to an entire business and they did not simply roll back the upgrade? Instead, they chose spend thousands of dollars trying to work around software issues for apparently no gained benefits.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Well that was weird.

tldr;

Windows has 92% OS share. Windows 10 only accounts for 24% (maybe).

Windows 10 is so, so secure. How to make people upgrade?

Windows 10 new update will have advertising. Other OS's sure look good now.

I feel like this section of the Economist doesn't get much editorial review.

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