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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by gotchange »

appleiigs wrote: post #82
geofft wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when some terrorist group makes the extremely tactically-obvious decision to attack the Trump Towers there? It's not like there's any shortage of US-hostile terrorists with the ability to reach Istanbul. (Honestly, what happens when any Trump property around the world gets attacked? They've got giant signs advertising that the president of the US cares about them, and they don't have anywhere near the pr…

Yeah, I wonder. Is the President allowed to send troops to protect his personal property or investments?

Would sovereign nations like Turkey accommodate such requests that hurt their sovereignty and open them to public outrage and probably civil unrest?

I don't think so.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by cmurf »

aaronmu wrote: post #124
hackuser wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. That's democracy; that is America or else there is no America. All Americans must own this problem, not say that it's not their fault. For one thing, it didn't come from nowhere; Trump's policies merely put in action what many in his party have advocated for years. Yet many smart people I know overlooked it and continued to vote Republican.

The quality of a democracy is defined by how well it protects minorities.

Trump voters are a minority, they should be defended also.

Geek philosophy (let's pick Yoda this time) applies to Hillary and Donald voters: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Attack the policies, not the voters, not the president. Convincing will happen with compelling arguments that demonstrate these policies are flawed.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by aomurphy »

WildUtah wrote: post #146
klenwell wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

A majority of Americans want to allow refugees from Muslim countries, including Syria: http://www.voanews.com/a/poll-americans-divided-along-party-...

Democrats (who voted 89% for Hillary) are strongly in support.

Overall 59% of Americans believe immigrants make the country stronger: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/15/americans-vi...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

macintux wrote: post #142
WildUtah wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US citizens have been banned from Iran for almost 40 years. That's a mighty swift response to US policy in 2017.

Not sure where you got that information, but it contradicts everything I've ever heard. Cuba's been for a long time the only country the US won't allow its citizens to visit (head, meet desk); North Korea is, so far as I know, the only country that actively prevents US citizens from visiting, although that may be a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground. Anyway, http://uncorneredmarket.com/american-travel-iran/…

US citizens can visit Iran—at Iranian discretion—with a state minder the same way US citizens can travel to North Korea. You can't travel freely and you can't travel without personal scrutiny ('extreme vetting') from Iranian officials.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by gotchange »

powertower wrote: post #46
jasonjei wrote: post #4

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas…

If these countries are not reciprocating as you seem to suggest, why did the US DoS issue them visas in the first place?

Don't tell me that they don't reject visa applications at their diplomatic missions and for reasons related to national security because that's what they do all the time in the ME.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by aomurphy »

WildUtah wrote: post #141
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

How this effects [sic] this country's current reputation as a place to study, travel, find work, and start families + settle down can't be understated. That's the intention. The USA is more than a convenient incubator for foreigners. It's a nation responsible for its own future. Quite a lot of Americans don't want foreigners to make plans expecting that the USA will just always be there to fulfill their whims. A litt…

I think that being a student here is hardly catering to their whims. She was let in by the University, works there, and studies there. It seems fair to let her continue to do that.

Also, why do you think immigrants are always going to be non-American? My father has lived here for nearly 40 years, pays taxes, pays into SS, and raised my family here. Is he just fulfilling his whims?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by grzm »

codybrown wrote: post #153

I wonder what YC Part Time Partner Peter Thiel thinks of this...

Why? Because this submission is on HN and HN is associated with YC? Need we drag Thiel into every political discussion? Yes, everything is ultimately related, but can we try to focus on one thing at time? It's hard enough to discuss politics constructively on HN without making it harder by reaching out for every possible tangent.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by crispinb »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #10
kome wrote: post #6

America, what you have done? Good luck with this petition! Let's fight for an open world.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

Many HN readers (and Dem voters) are among the tech elite who at best benefit (and at worst promote) the fundamentalist neoliberal-corporate ideology that has crushed the US citizenry and contributed substantially to the von Clownstick revolt. They were the useful idiots content to keep their heads down, buy shitloads of expensive tech gadgetry, pay the elevated rents that dehomed locals, and obediently wrote code whilst their fellow citizens slept in cars. Well the 'minority' bit back. Irrationally, and probably fatally, but it was entirely predictable.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by 551199 »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Yep, US has been bombing and droning many of these countries and people coming in should be taken without any knowledge who they are or what are their intentions?

Trump just signed action for 5 year lobbying plan. Looks like he deliver once more. It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

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