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Re: AirPods are now available

#151

I'm very curious how this product will sell. Considering that I routinely lose or break ear phones and occasionally put them through the clothes washer, I'm very unlikely to invest $150 in a pocket sized pair (I do have some high end cans that i use now and then which are too large to be easily lost or accidentally submerged). As the owner of an iPhone 7, I have encountered some frustration from not being able to cha…

I have a pair of Westones that are slightly more than $150 but have reasonable after market replacement cables.

$150 doesn't seem so bad to me but: - Not in ear - No lanyard

Re: AirPods are now available

#152
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I used to think this way until I bought a pair of JLabs bluetooth ear buds. Now, I hate using wired headphones because the wire is literally always in the way. I hate being forced to keep my phone right next to me, and snake a wire around. Now, in the gym, I can throw my phone in my gym bag and not worry about it while working out. I'll never go back to wired.

> Now, in the gym, I can throw my phone in my gym bag and not worry about it while working out. I'll never go back to wired. Exactly, doing anything active with wired headphones on isn't fun. They keep getting snagged in things and get pulled off your ears.

> Exactly, doing anything active with wired headphones on isn't fun.

I do active things with wired headphones all the time, and they rarely get snagged on anything or pulled from my ear.

That said, not having to carry the device that provides the sound source is a convenience that's worth something (though nowhere near the additional cost of these over wired earbuds.)

Re: AirPods are now available

#153

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Bluetooth headphones are great. You don't have to worry about the wire snagging on things and getting in the way. Wires have been progressively eliminated everywhere else e.g. wireless networking, wireless mice, wireless keyboards, wireless phones...I'm not understanding why people are clinging to wireless headphones so hard. Your risk of losing your headphones is really that high?

For me it comes down to a few things. Bluetooth has some major downsides: First, you now have to charge your headphones or you can't use them. This is a HUGE downside when coming from something that literally never needs to be charged, I mean considering nothing else, would you rather have something that needs to be charged daily or something that never needs to be charged? Second, transmitting audio over bluetooth r…

When you can get bluetooth headphones that last 40 hours I don't see battery life as an issue.

Quality sounds fine to me as well. Are there any blind tests that show people can notice differences with Bluetooth? Even if the difference is slightly noticeable I doubt you would notice wearing headphones on the move, at the gym, in the office etc.

> How many times have you really found yourself genuinely bothered by wires on your headphones?

Multiple times a day. Any time you're doing anything active besides just walking (e.g. reaching for things, carrying something) or putting on a jacket the wire gets in the way. Getting them caught on a door handle and having in-ear headphones ripped out of your ears is really unpleasant.

Re: AirPods are now available

#154
They should have used the cigarette butt picture:

https://www.cnet.com/products/apple-airpods/preview/

Regarding specs:

+ Bluetooth

+ No cables

+ 5 hours battery life

+ Charging case with total 24 hours battery life

+ Automatically turn off when removing from your ears

+ Key synchronization via iCloud (makes pairing process simpler - and could make sharing process simpler as well - but is Apple-only)

+ Peripheral to Apple Watch

+ Including microphones and double-tap to activate Siri (no direct volume shortcut)

Re: AirPods are now available

#155

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> Now, in the gym, I can throw my phone in my gym bag and not worry about it while working out. I'll never go back to wired. Exactly, doing anything active with wired headphones on isn't fun. They keep getting snagged in things and get pulled off your ears.

Don't think one can be too active with these ones, though. Looks like shaking your head will make them fall out. No silicon that shapes it to the ear, no over-ear stuff or anything that should make it sit.

Many reviews have stated the opposite: that, despite the reviewers feeling like the airpods would fall out when in motions, they stayed in just fine despite shaking heads and jumping up and down.

Re: AirPods are now available

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This is very much the "Apple" style, and gave me a laugh. http://4dpavshx5ly3quwy2v9yv83i.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-c... Seriously, I have very little to add to this. It's overly expensive wireless earbuds to go alongside a failure of 3.5mm jack.

Removing the audio jack also removes a whole market of products that were taking advantage of the audio jack for non-audio purposes (e.g. the Square dongle). Now that the audio jack is gone, companies like Square will have to pay Apple a licensing fee to use the only available port on the iPhone, and even companies that want to attract consumers of their audio products to be used with iPhones will have to get licensi…

> Removing the audio jack also removes a whole market of products that were taking advantage of the audio jack for non-audio purposes (e.g. the Square dongle).

Except that it doesn't. Yes, you have to use an adapter now, and that's slightly (but only slightly) more clumsy than before, but "Square readers don't work any more!" is a particularly tired piece of FUD, which it would be nice not to see spread around any more by people such as HN participants who really should know better.

Re: AirPods are now available

#157

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Right, this isn't a world class entry into a nascent market. This is a pair of fucking headphones. A pair of headphones a month later than they should be that look exactly like their old headphones

Maybe you missed something but I guess this is why you guys are so angry about this. Because it IS an entry into a nascent market. Apple sees this as a new IO device, not a "pair of fucking headphones". Take a look at the specs

How is it anything more than a wireless version of the headphones they have been bundling for years?

Re: AirPods are now available

#158
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To me these seem pretty stupid. Major features (to me) of ear-buds with wires and 3.5" jack are: 1) being attached with wires means I don't easily lose them when they slip out of my ear/hand/pocket. 2) the 3.5" jack actually keeps them pretty solidly attached to my phone (again, less risk of losing them). Walking around with two loose tiny objects seems less than ideal - at least to me; I'd lose them within days.

You've never used an entire product category and you want to call it stupid? The first step to building good products is to understand how people use them.

Wireless headphones are about as stupid as wireless Internet.

Just like wired Internet, wired headphones will continue to have a place for people who need certain capabilities or ruggedness or etc., but for most people, wireless headphones are the way to go. Let me walk you through some of the advantages:

1. Working out. Wired headphones constantly get caught on things and sometimes get violently ripped from your ears. 2. Related to point one, any activity or job where you could risk a loose wire being caught is perfect for wireless headphones. It very well may be significantly safer. 3. Wireless headphones have bigger range than wires. You don't have to place your phone in your pants pockets, for instance, to use wireless headphones. You could even have your phone in your bag, and everything will still work. Much of women's fashion either has no pockets or pockets of little value. This is a major reason women carry around purses. But you can't use headphones with a phone in your purse, hence why women are often physically carrying their phones in your hands. With wireless headphones, they can keep their phone in their purse or jacket and still listen to music or respond to calls. 5. Or if you are doing something around the house, you don't always have to have your headphones on you at all times. This could be particularly useful if you are doing something like washing a car where you might get your pants wet and don't want to have your phone on you. 6. With this new class of wireless earbuds that are small and lightweight, you could keep one of two of them in much of your day to answer phone calls or ask Siri or Google questions.

Re: AirPods are now available

#159
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What are some of the things you hate about iOS 10? I've also disliked a few changes they've introduced, but after spending more time with the OS, I've discovered that some changes were not as bad as I'd initially considered. It was more a matter of getting used to. I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to.

There are a lot of small things that are making me hate iOS 10. 1) Unlock process: When the fingerprint reader fails it now takes several presses on the home key to get a keypad to pop up so I can input my code. With previous versions I could just swipe when I knew the fingerprint reader would fail (e.g. wet hands). 2) App updates: When apps are updating on my phone it decides it really wants to stay on the home scre…

I'm really glad that I'm not the only one who's been frustrated by iOS recently. Their user interactions have become so inconsistent and there are so many places (like control center) where simple tasks like pausing music playback have additional friction for really no reason. Why would they split it into 2 screens when one worked just fine? Why did they eliminate slide to unlock? (My conspiracy theory here is to upsell people new devices because the home button unlock is absolutely horrible to use on anything < iPhone 6s). There are lots of places where things are just downright much more difficult than they have to be. In the end, I switched to android after using iOS for the last ~5 (maybe more?) years and I have to say my phone actually feels smart again

Re: AirPods are now available

#160

Beats X which are wireless too seem to have a cool solution for keeping them close to the user - there is a cable which stays behind the neck. As well, you can magnetically clip them together. And... get them in red - much easier to find! I like the idea of AirPods. Unfortunately, my main concern though is that I will use them two or three times during rush hours in London, bump into a couple people on the tube and t…

Are BeatsX actually available in red? They're postponed to February, and only black and white are listed as colors.
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