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Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by [deleted] »

evan_ wrote: post #18
johndunne wrote: post #10

With today's political climate I can't help but think that something like this could happen again.

It kind of already is happening in the US right now in the form of "Family detention centers" intended to detain non-citizens slated for deportation. If Trump's administration seriously plans on "rounding up" millions of people for deportation, they'll have to be lodged somewhere while they are tried (assuming they're granted trials, who knows anymore) and travel arrangements are made. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/…

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by csomar »

You know what is really disturbing? We don't know if such a thing can happen again today. It seems that the new US president got wiser, but what if he was real with his threats to people who believes in a particular religion.

I'm not too immersed in US politics, but how likely is such a move? How are they going to determine them (possible suspicion?) and what kind of reaction will the civil society have?

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by bpodgursky »

djsumdog wrote: post #141
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school. The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and…

Um, you must also have had a pretty spotty education, because you missed the part where the fuel embargo was to stop the ongoing genocide the Japanese were conducting against China.

Don't act like the world would have been A- ok if we had just been ok selling gas to power genocides.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by Koshkin »

It is somewhat interesting that the term 'internment camps' is never used in the original quotes, it is rather 'concentration camps'. (It is possible that the latter term may have been used specifically in reference to the places of internment of the Japanese.)

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by andars »

astrodust wrote: post #140
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

Don't think the US didn't do everything it could to antagonize the enemy. Japan was repeatedly slapped in the face until it had no choice but to respond to protect its honour. I'm not saying what Japan did was in any way noble, but it was certainly far from unexpected. The US administration knew the war in Europe was a serious problem if left unchecked, that Britain and its allies would never prevail, but there was c…

Japan was "repeatedly slapped in the face" because of their increasing militarization, invasion of China (also Rape of Nanking), alliance with Italy and Germany, desire for control of all of East Asian (the Co-Prosperity Sphere), etc. The US response seems totally reasonable to me.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by wehadfun »

It seems uncomfortable, but how does it compare to how the Japanese treated the Chinese during the war?

Its easy to look back now and think America was terrible but lets not forget that World War Freaking 2 was happening at the time. If your beloved son just got killed at Perl Harbor you probably would have no issue with this at all. Hell you probably feel like it is not bad enough.

Its just like all these self righteous people who want to call Bush an idiot for the wars. If your Wife, kids, friends were under a pile of cement in downtown Manhattan on 9/11 you would probably have no issue with bombing the f* out of who ever you were told was responsible.

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Post by chrishacken »

djsumdog wrote: post #141
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school. The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and…

> The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and Nazi tanks and even built the rails leading to Auschwitz.

The difference is these all took place before the war started. We sell weapons to countries all the time. That doesn't mean we wouldn't stop them if they began committing atrocities that we currently have no knowledge of.

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Post by jlillyreed »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #114
pessimizer wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That proves true the myth of our moral superiority to the Nazi regime, but not the myth of our moral superiority.

To the Nazi regime. To the Communist regimes. To Turkey (Armenian genocide). To Rwanda. To Serbia. But not to everyone, I'll agree.

I would say that our genocide of the indigenous people's of North America was just as bad as either of those.

..and we're still invading their lands and violating treaties with them.

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Post by krapp »

coldpie wrote: post #63
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...until they come for you

Who, the immigrants? I think you may have misread this conversation thread.

Republicans have suggested that the US repeal the Constitutional right of birthright citizenship specifically to allow people born in the US to illegal immigrants to be rounded up and "deported" to their parents' or grandparents' countries of origin.

The entire scope of this discussion involves more that simply arresting and deporting people who sneak into the US illegally - it also includes a movement to redefine American citizenship in terms of generational purity.

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

leurfete wrote: post #130
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to note, this went both ways: my grandfather was a naturalized German immigrant, and was sent to the Pacific when drafted because he was disallowed from fighting in Europe. But of course, for some reason, German Americans weren't interned...

Germans and Italians were also interned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Italian_American...

The article summary seems to imply this was to a lesser extent?
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