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Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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Good for you. I have not had anywhere near that experience. My anecdote cancels out yours.

>> My anecdote cancels out yours. Sure, but I doubt it cancels out the other 10,000+ owners of defective early 2011 Macbook Pros. http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/petition-demands-apple-fi...

No, but the anecdotes of thousands of other Macbook Pro users does. If you're going to say that the MBP is a bad laptop based on that one thing, then you're going to have to rule out every other laptop manufacturer on earth, as they've all had issues with specific models.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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> Macs simply can't do as much as Windows can in a business setting https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Office-... > Even simple software like remote desktop does not exist on the Mac. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-remote-desktop/id7... https://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ Where on earth did you come up with this belief?

It only works from Mac to Mac though. You cannot do remote desktop from Windows to Mac. That's typical Apple bullshit that will not fly in the enterprise. RDP also comes built into Windows where is you have to buy this from Apple. Also for anybody suggesting team viewer… Come on that's a ridiculously expensive package that does not even work as well and it's not ubiquitous.

> "It only works from Mac to Mac though. You cannot do remote desktop from Windows to Mac. That's typical Apple bullshit"

What are you talking about? Here are five ways:

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/remote-access-apple-mac-os-x-via...

TL;DR: Turn on the built-in open standard VNC server on the Mac, use a VNC client on Windows:

Mac OS X actually comes with a built-in remote management feature that allows other computers on the local network to access the Apple computer using the Apple Remote Desktop which we mentioned earlier. However, there is a setting where you can allow third party VNC viewers to connect and control the Apple computer. First click on the System Preferences icon at the Dock and click on Sharing. Click on the checkbox for the Remote Management to turn on the service.

Click on Computer Settings button. Tick on the “VNC viewers may control screen with password” and type in a password. Click OK to save the changes...

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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There are definitely other biases. Macs simply can't do as much as Windows can in a business setting. That's why companies like Disney and Google have to build their own systems management tools. I could not imagine running a financial services house, an insurance company or a warehouse without Windows. Even simple software like remote desktop does not exist on the Mac. Yes the Mac has screen sharing but it is nowher…

You must be high.. remote desktop works on mac, teamviewer works on mac etc. Etc. Etc.

>teamviewer works on mac etc

... at $809 a seat. I mean, just, ouch.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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Don't know about the stats, but this has definitely been the case for me. My late 2010 MBA worked for 5 years then broke one day. Apple fixed it in under 24 hours for $304.80 (that's with 8.75% NY tax) and I'm typing on it as we speak. PS the thing is basically indestructible... I have no excuse not to buy another some time in the future. Can't wait to try the 12" MB.

I agree but I would strongly hesitate to say "basically indestructible". Macs are incredibly destructible. They have a very thin glass screen, you could bend the chassis with your hands if you wanted to, and they're not even a little waterproof. How I would describe a MacBook is "quality". It's not especially durable, it just doesn't break down over time. Other laptops break in stupid ways. The hinges snap because it…

I really really hope that Tesla does to the automotive market what Apple did to the laptop market when it introduced the unibody (ALU) Macbook design. It's a design that has withstood the test of time.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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There are definitely other biases. Macs simply can't do as much as Windows can in a business setting. That's why companies like Disney and Google have to build their own systems management tools. I could not imagine running a financial services house, an insurance company or a warehouse without Windows. Even simple software like remote desktop does not exist on the Mac. Yes the Mac has screen sharing but it is nowher…

> Macs simply can't do as much as Windows can in a business setting https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Office-... > Even simple software like remote desktop does not exist on the Mac. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-remote-desktop/id7... https://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ Where on earth did you come up with this belief?

There's a whole lot more to business than Microsoft Office.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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post #154

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I agree but I would strongly hesitate to say "basically indestructible". Macs are incredibly destructible. They have a very thin glass screen, you could bend the chassis with your hands if you wanted to, and they're not even a little waterproof. How I would describe a MacBook is "quality". It's not especially durable, it just doesn't break down over time. Other laptops break in stupid ways. The hinges snap because it…

I really really hope that Tesla does to the automotive market what Apple did to the laptop market when it introduced the unibody (ALU) Macbook design. It's a design that has withstood the test of time.

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Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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>> My anecdote cancels out yours. Sure, but I doubt it cancels out the other 10,000+ owners of defective early 2011 Macbook Pros. http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/petition-demands-apple-fi...

No, but the anecdotes of thousands of other Macbook Pro users does. If you're going to say that the MBP is a bad laptop based on that one thing, then you're going to have to rule out every other laptop manufacturer on earth, as they've all had issues with specific models.

But I never said that. I just countered an anecdote with a different anecdote. In the absence of contradictory anecdotes, people reading the thread would be left with the false perception that Apple doesn't produce the occasional lemon.

I'm citing a fairly well publicized incident that affected a significant number of Macbook owners - and these models were the top end 15" MBPs with quad core i7s with discrete GPU models - among the most expensive of Apple laptops, I might add - that Apple completely dropped the ball on. And this is coming from someone who recognizes that Apple historically has the best build quality and customer service.

There was a massive thread on the official Apple support forums on this problem that spanned a couple of years and a few hundred pages. Tens of thousands of posts without a single official peep from Apple. There were plenty of articles written about it on Mac sites and other tech sites like Ars Technica. It took Apple over a year to even acknowledge the issue. By the time Apple did issue the Repair Order (recall), a lot of people wrote off or sold their laptops at a loss and had no recourse.

So this is a little different from other laptop manufacturers having issues with a specific model. Before the Repair Order was issued, the official fix was to replace the logic board with a fresh logic board that had the same defect (most of the people who had their logic boards replaced got the same problem within a few months, including myself). Great if you had AppleCare, but a $500+ fix if the AppleCare had lapsed or if you didn't have AppleCare.

Am I bitter? Of course I am. I bought a relatively top end laptop from a company that had a reputation for treating their customers way better than their competitors. And I happily paid the premium (maybe 1K more than a similarly spec'ed Windows laptop at the time) with the expectation that I would be taken care of in the unlikely chance there was something wrong with my MBP. And that didn't happen. I was just lucky that I kept my bricked MBP around so that I could get it fixed when the recall finally came around. At least then I could get some salvage value out of it.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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Any idea how? some sort of compression? other?

Remote Desktop passes draw calls from server to client instead of screen-capping and sending bitmaps. Similar to remote X11.

Ah. May make a lot of difference - or would it also partly depend on whether the data (e.g. args sent with the calls) was raster or vector? Think I read recently that some versions of OpenGL do the same or similar. Not an expert here, but interested in the concepts and techniques.

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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And there's a Mac version distributed for OSX/macOS by Microsoft that's arguably superior to the Windows client. But I understand the RDP protocol. In a decent corp environment with a gigE LAN, the data compression benefits of RDP compared to TeamViewer or Apple's Remote Desktop aren't that necessary.

>> In a decent corp environment with a gigE LAN, the data compression benefits of RDP compared to TeamViewer or Apple's Remote Desktop aren't that necessary. The performance gap is very noticeable even on GB LAN, especially as the screen resolution goes up. There were a couple of products on Mac that were almost as fast as Windows RDP, but they weren't cheap, and one of the two major companies (iRapp from CodeRebel […

> The performance gap is very noticeable even on GB LAN, especially as the screen resolution goes up.

I find that hard to believe, I can play games like Rayman (that require reflexes and a low latency) over my steam link on a 100mbit network. Surely on a GB LAN there shouldn't be noticeable latency?

Re: Macs are 3 times cheaper to own than Windows PCs, says IBM's IT guy

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Don't know about the stats, but this has definitely been the case for me. My late 2010 MBA worked for 5 years then broke one day. Apple fixed it in under 24 hours for $304.80 (that's with 8.75% NY tax) and I'm typing on it as we speak. PS the thing is basically indestructible... I have no excuse not to buy another some time in the future. Can't wait to try the 12" MB.

I still run desktops with Windows 2000... does that make Windows desktops Immortal?
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