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Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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When is the last time you tried? I have created a gmail account couple of weeks back without providing phone number and recovery email.

I did it. Then they banned it. Having my phone number or any other hard identifier is none of Googles business.

Do you disagree with their right to specify the terms of use as to include a phone number, or do you just not like the rule?

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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I've several children, and can no longer make Google accounts for their Chromebooks. All the phone numbers I have and control can no longer be used to register further accounts. What happens to users that buy a new Android cell phone who's number has been burned by Google?

Ironically you could create google voice numbers as a workaround

IIRC Google doesn't allow using Google Voice numbers for account verification (or other known VOIP number blocks).

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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I work at Google (I don't work on this stuff though, so I'm basically just another random commenter.) We do send an email when you log in from a new device. What would you do if you got an email about failed attempts to login / reset password?

> We do send an email when you log in from a new device. Which is useless, because whoever got access can just delete it or change your password.

They send emails to the alternate account.

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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I think the main issue is that google doesn't accept certain senders anymore. As a generic thread about running a mailserver/mail service pops up here often. That means users are shoveled into about one of 4 "acceptable" providers which have control of the entire market. They demand, full name and usually gender, mobile, alternative email and more. So you get pushed into their information pipeline to stop "spam".

Yep, I wrote one not too long ago: http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-... I've been meaning to write a follow up after I met some MailChip devs at a conference. They told me at MailChip they have to slowly spin up new servers, sending e-mail through them slowly so Google registers their new SMTP IPs. The other thing they told me: MailChip owns a /A, and can therefore separately out their serv…

Yeah, we do something similar, although we send a much smaller amount of email than MailChimp.

Our admin runs about 10% of the outgoing mail through our DR site to keep google et al trained to accept emails from those IPs.

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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> This is why last weekend I moved to FastMail. I've filed two support tickets since, and both were responded to in an hour or two. Can absolutely confirm that. However, there's place for both Gmail and FastMail. Just know what you pay and what you're entitled to get for that price.

How is search in FastMail? And mobile clients?

I pair fastmail with postbox on mac, and search is terrific (because of postbox). Quite expensive though.

Also nothing as good on mobile. But fastmail search has been okay, I'm not too handicapped.

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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> I'm curious [...] why Google doesn’t temporarily disable accounts so impacted until a human reviews activity. Because Google doesn't have humans reviewing anything unless there's a direct link to marginal revenue/cost avoidance attached to that interaction that can be priced in. Their business model is to achieve scale through automation and machine learning; which means not doing things that would require manual i…

>they've got a less-than-stellar reputation for support of paying customers I've actually had surprisingly good support from the $150/month plan for their cloud products. They get back to me quickly and give good advice (with custom code samples when needed).

+1

Have had multiple issues with Google Apps and GCloud over the years and very promptly received phone calls from support (that I didn't expect). I live in Fiji, and have a tiny small business account (~$30/m)

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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Put your recovery codes on an offline SD card somewhere safe in your house. I keep mine in a literal safe.

SD cards don't last forever. I've had 3 different cards seemingly randomly corrupt in different devices on me. I don't trust them to hold anything important for long.

Print them out on paper then. Paper stored properly will outlive you and any services you need recovery codes for.

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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Ironically you could create google voice numbers as a workaround

IIRC Google doesn't allow using Google Voice numbers for account verification (or other known VOIP number blocks).

One workaround is to use a number and then port it to Google Voice.

Re: Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it less secure

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Yeah, I procrastinated on this for years. What I did was: - Created an email address at my own domain and forwarded it to Gmail. - For the last year or so, started using it as my email address and changing accounts to use it as it came up. - Signed up with FastMail and set up my domain's MX records to point to it. - Still checking Gmail for stragglers to change over to my new address. - Eventually will set Gmail addr…

Eventually will set Gmail addresses to forward, but didn't want to rush that so I remember to just make stuff not go to Gmail. When I did this (from @gmail to @mydoman on google apps), I set up a filter to star/label anything forwarded from the old address, so I'd see an update was needed at the sending service/person. Perhaps the same could be done with FastMail.

It definitely can, but I feel that if I make it easy to automatically handle email on my old address at my new address, I'll get lazy about actually changing it. So I'll wait a bit to do that until most of my email is properly changed over.
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