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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by femto »

serge2k wrote: post #111
bpicolo wrote: post #100

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Which will only last if they're the only ones that can make self-driving cars I would think. Edit: Though you can have your car join that network sooo. Mostly just means they don't want to sell to Uber, heh.

Nah, the other companies will slap them on too. People need to fight this BS.

Cue Stallman. This is precisely the motivation for GNU software. How long before GNU (or other prxoy) has an autonomous driving project? Part of the issue is that the dataset is as important as the software. First step would seem to be the construction of a "GNU" hardware pack for autonomous driving and people start driving around with it mounted on their cars, gathering (GPL'd) data.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by nojvek »

kpao wrote: post #108
PacketPaul wrote: post #69

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Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Pilot here as well, unfortunately, it's a fight that won't be easy to win. If in the mind of people, Autopilot means self driving. It's going to be hard to change the global perception. When I'm using the Autopilot, I feel like I'm in my airplane, always on guard, and in a practice of recovery from unusual attitude in flight. There are a few times also where being an engineer has helped a lot. You can pretty much pre…

Have a RAV4 2016 SE. Great car, sonars and cameras everywhere but still very stupid driving at times. I don't mind it, because it keeps me alert to take over at moments notice.

I really want to hack the can bus and give it more smarts. What is the legality of that?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by D-Coder »

Element_ wrote: post #74

Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection? For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake? Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to tr…

"if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping." Well, usually. But frequently they don't see it at all, or freeze and hit it whatever it is, or swerve three lanes over, or jam on the brakes in front of you.

It only has to be better than humans, not perfect.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ClassyJacket »

PacketPaul wrote: post #69
CamperBob2 wrote: post #30

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I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.

Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

I have no involvement with aviation and I thought autopilot was a perfectly good word for it. I thought it communicated well that it basically just tries to maintain what it's doing but can't stop on its own.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Retric »

ams6110 wrote: post #131
PacketPaul wrote: post #69

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Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Your average car driver gets a few weeks of training at age 15 or 16 and a cursory written test. What does a pilot get?

You can solo fly at age 16 after ~30 hours in an aircraft, so about the same. Also, many students take drivers ed. Now commercial flying is far more involved, but so is driving big rigs.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ClassyJacket »

ams6110 wrote: post #131
PacketPaul wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Your average car driver gets a few weeks of training at age 15 or 16 and a cursory written test. What does a pilot get?

Wow what country are you in where you only get a few weeks of training? It's a year+ in Australia.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ClassyJacket »

dogma1138 wrote: post #41
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #7

> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…

>I can't think of a precedent for this as a marketing approach in modern consumer products. Apple iOS ;) the iPhone 7 had (don't know if it has now) some camera features (autofocus and raw related) disabled that were present on the 6/6s because of software limitations. This isn't that uncommon many times you can have a new product which comes with some features disabled/not working because the software did not catch…

Can you provide a source? I've followed the iPhone 7 pretty closely, own one, and haven't heard of any of these missing camera features that were present on the 6S (just the headphone jack).

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Klathmon wrote: post #137
thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

That's a really fucking shitty thing to do, and is gonna cause some pretty big waves IMO if they follow through with it. The issues with not being able to modify your own stuff is already really shitty, but its not something that the average Joe really can understand easily, and even less care about it. But not being able to USE your car for some things? That just screams easy headlines and it's a reason I might not…

> But not being able to USE your car for some things? That just screams easy headlines and it's a reason I might not get a Tesla in the future.

Its your car. It's Tesla software. You don't own it, just like you don't own any of the other commercial software you use.

I can't really find fault in it; they deserve the lion's share of the revenue (not Uber, Lyft, or you) if you put the vehicle into their shared ridesharing fleet for profit.

You don't have to put it into their fleet though. But if you do, them the terms.

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Post by jfoster »

CoryG89 wrote: post #65
simonsarris wrote: post #46

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I see where you're coming from, but think that's a calculated risk. From a PR perspective it generates buzz, sounds ambitious, and reflects their ambition. If you ask anybody today, "what company is interested in self-driving cars?" Their answer is going to be Tesla. They're not gonna say Apple, or Ford or Volvo or Mercedes or Mobileye or Intel. They're gonna point straight to Tesla. A big part of that is their "inac…

Maybe I'm weird, but Google would have been my first answer. Then either Tesla or Apple.

That previously would have been my answer, but I've realised that Google is interested in working on them, whilst Tesla & Uber are interested in bringing them to market.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by probe »

Can someone speak to Tesla's approach of collecting real-world data, and Google's approach of "simulating" roads and conditions and running self-driving models on that (so technically their vehicles drive millions of miles on simulated roads).

Intuitively Tesla's approach makes more sense, but would love to hear someone with domain knowledge on how much of a difference it can actually make (after all, you need quality training data and Tesla may now have to navigate through significant more noise).

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