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Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by subsection1h »

danmaz74 wrote: post #136
kayoone wrote: post #21

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I like the opinionated approach of NG2 over the flexibility of React because it takes a lot of decisions off of me that i am not too interested in when building a new project. I am a full stack developer leaning more towards backend in recent years and i found setting up and finding out about best practices and "what to use" for React a bit tedious, also it changes so much. The last Flux framework i used was alt.js w…

Regarding the "Flux" frameworks, that's not a problem anymore - basically Redux (which improves on some of Flux's faults) has won. Its developer was hired by Facebook, so I guess it's kind of officially sanctioned now.

Has everyone who switched from Redux to MobX been informed that Redux won and they should switch back?

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by arc_of_descent »

unknowingone wrote: post #12
chrisballinger wrote: post #4

I expected angular.io to be a flashy example Angular 2 SPA and was disappointed when I realized it was just a regular old static HTML website. I guess most of the content is more suited for a static site. At least the search bar on the docs page looks like it has some Angular going on. Also it would be neat if the docs had dynamic examples instead of screenshots.

But can it compete with this? https://react-bootstrap.github.io/components.html

I'm currently developing a mobile app using React (web, not native). And I'm using the regular bootstrap. What advantage does react-bootstrap have? I seriously don't want to learn a new framework.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by ergo14 »

prohor wrote: post #138
ergo14 wrote: post #135

It is interesting how people are debating here, angular this, react that... Yet there is Polymer that just works, has a great ecosystem, awesome material design support and is a breeze to work with (+ its fast too). Right now there was 2.0 announcement and new version really supports easy migration path unlike Angular 2.x.

Polymer and Angular 2.0 seems to have a lot concepts in common and I don't fully understand why they are going to compete, given they come from the same source. But for me it seems that Polymer nowhere picked up as Angular. When it comes to performance it is great in Chrome. In other browsers not so. I hope v2 will be much better once they can get rid of the compatibility layer for other ever-green browsers.

Have you actually benchmarked polymer in a non-chrome browser?

It is much faster than Angular - somewhere around React performance. Polymer is picked up by big companies already whereas "no one"(big) is using angular 2.x for now.

People here seem to project a weird bubble around Angular/React.

> In other browsers not so. I hope v2 will be much better once they can get rid of the compatibility layer for other ever-green browsers.

Browsers get rid of it on their own - when they implement the standards, shims load when specific functionality is found or not.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by BigJono »

jasonkester wrote: post #133
lacker wrote: post #129

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And it needs tools upon tools upon tools to set up, whateverify, transpile and pack the files you write into something that can display in a browser. I think this was true six months ago but now there is create-react-app. You might want to try it out - you won't need to whateverify your code, you just need that one tool. Also it works on Windows. https://github.com/facebookincubator/create-react-app I want to edit so…

npm install -g create-react-app The fun thing watching the new world of Javascript is that overtooling is so built in to everything that nobody even realizes how many tools they're using. You can't even install this thing until you have the standard pile of javascript tooling in place. And it never occurred to them to even mention how to get said pile set up. Once set up, this still uses all the same stuff. It just r…

This is the problem I have with all these "easy" setups and boilerplate projects. It doesn't matter how you set up your project, unless you do it wrong, it all comes down to a one liner in the end. All these things do is hide the complexity from you with the goal of being able to "get up and running quick", which I find fairly pointless for projects that are of a significant enough size that you're considering using React or Angular for them. You're much better off learning all the tools and understanding how your project works.

But then again, the thing about the overtooling is: I can't find anything in my React stack that is unnecessary or can be removed. And really, all it is is React, Redux and Webpack. I think the complexity of front-end Javascript development is blown a little bit out of proportion.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by diminish »

indexerror wrote: post #112
Illniyar wrote: post #108

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At the moment I also moved to react, but there are some obvious advantages in angular 2: 1. as others mentioned its a fuller framework, mostly akin to using react with redux (or flux etc...) and a di framework. This also means that angular 2 third party components are probably easier to integrate. 2. Reactive Expressions, which angular2 uses in many places, is a joy to work with (though they might become maintenance…

> It uses string templates - which means that some things such as dynamic templates and per user customization of html would probably be much easier to do then in React. The key with React is that you manipulate JS instead of HTML. In my experience, using JS to manipulate elements turns out to be easier and a much better experience than the conventional way of using templates.

Why JS declarative manipulation is a much better experience than using templates?

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by mattmanser »

xeromal wrote: post #87
NhanH wrote: post #77

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Any chance you can do a quick cons review too? Specifically comparing to the weakness of Angular 1 like bloated complexities, issue with custom directives or scope life-cycle.

Obtuse error logging is my biggest problem. A lot of the times you have no idea what's going wrong.

That's a general javascript problem though as soon as you involve any third party library.

Something funky going wrong when jQuery's involved? Good luck stepping through that.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by BigJono »

asher_ wrote: post #13
gkoberger wrote: post #6

As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.

I'm currently in the same boat. Both are similar in that they are component-oriented. There are two important factors in my mind. 1. The ecosystem (as you mentioned). React has a clear head start here, but I expect Angular2 to make some gains over time. 2. Angular2 gives you a full framework, and as they say now, a whole platform. React is smaller and you rely on a bunch of other packages to get all the extra feature…

As someone who has never used Angular but is interested in Angular 2, can you give some examples of the framework-y things it provides that React doesn't? Redux is really the only thing I find necessary for what I've developed so far, and I'm sure Angular has it's equivalent, but what else does it have?

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by boubiyeah »

kayoone wrote: post #21
gkoberger wrote: post #6

As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.

I like the opinionated approach of NG2 over the flexibility of React because it takes a lot of decisions off of me that i am not too interested in when building a new project. I am a full stack developer leaning more towards backend in recent years and i found setting up and finding out about best practices and "what to use" for React a bit tedious, also it changes so much. The last Flux framework i used was alt.js w…

You can totally use typescript with React, in fact it's a game changer. It's actually way more beneficial than with angular, as you have properly typed components all the way down. No crappy string templates that are not checked by typescript.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by philippz »

gkoberger wrote: post #6

As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.

For economical reasons. We decided between ng2, React and Vue.JS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ULB2GjA3ytXAN_Sn-fEy...

React would mean to rewrite your whole application as it has a totally different basic concept. Following the ng2 migration path you're able to migrate slowly.

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