Live data from Hacker News

Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

lwn.net

151–160 of 327 posts

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#151
post #59
post #32

I think the document foundation should get the brand, instant of Apache squatting. It's still far better known that libreoffice.

It made a sense few years ago, now Libre Office has a brand of its own. I don't think having the ownership would be useful now.

As far as I can tell, the "LibreOffice brand" is "OpenOffice but harder to pronounce and spell".

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#152

Could they drop openoffice, then rename libreoffice to openoffice? That would be fantastic

+10000 Libreoffice is terrible to pronounce in asia ... and especially in India. I dont know if it is better in other countries (like the multilingual United States). Till today, Libreoffice is the only software that I have said aloud (and on the phone) and people could not remember. I have had people search for "libby office", "libra office", "lee office", etc Call it anything but Libreoffice.

French is the worst thing to happen to language.

What's that open Nvidia driver called? Novou? Neauveau? Nouveau? Neauvou? Fuck it.

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#153
post #89

Parallel universe: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg282... If we look at LibreOffice and compare: LibreOffice, that is *good* (not more) software and *excellent* public relations. OpenOffice, that is *excellent* software and *pretty bad* public relations. Proof: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg282... Secondly, as alluded to above, we should prepare ourselves for the FU…

How exactly is OO excellent and LO good?

What is that based on? Please back that up.

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#154

Well, my prediction[1] came true even faster than I anticipated. I don't understand why so many people seem so desperate to see AOO fail and go away. Hey look, if you prefer LO, fine. Some of us prefer AOO for our own reasons. There's no reason to take glee in seeing a project struggle. Anyway, none of this means the project is actually going to be retired. It's just a discussion around something that might happen. […

What reasons are there to prefer OpenOffice? From my perspective, I hear about LibreOffice updates often, and OpenOffice doesn't sound like it's being maintained as much. I don't know if this is actually correct, but I never understood what the need was for keeping them separate after Oracle gave up OO to Apache. LibreOffice seems to have 'won' popular attention if nothing else, and is the one included in distros now.

Having two forks competing just seems confusing and a waste of effort on maintaining two forks. Initially it made sense to have a fully open fork when OpenOffice was under Oracle's control, but I don't understand what the purpose the two forks serve now that OO is under Apache's control.

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#155
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenOffice uses name 'office' for 30 years, 5 longer than MS does. Wiki: > OpenOffice.org originated as StarOffice, a proprietary office suite developed by German company StarDivision from 1985 on. > MS office 1.0 released : November 19, 1990[1] Office 1.0

Maybe that's the naming solution then. StarOffice* * The Open and Libre Office Suite Everyone could write it as *Office to save typing. Then users would simply say the full name. "AsteriskOffice" Nevermind....

And maybe rewrite it in C# and call it OctothorpOffice...

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think so? It's not clear that they could have known this would not be sustainable at the time, and I don't see how the hot potato staying with Oracle would have been a better option.

It was a gift from Oracle, so it should have been immediately obvious that it would turn into a gigantic pooch screw. It was clear developers were going to flee whether Oracle kept it, or whether Oracle gave it away. It was toxic coming from Oracle, just as if it had been a 'gift' from Microsoft. (PowerShell on Linux. Need .NET on Linux. Clippy on Linux: it looks like you're trying to get useful work done. Would you…

Honestly I'd trust MS code on my linux box over anything Oracle puts out.

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell, in a few years' time, Silicon Valley might finally have made "free" an outright bad thing for some significant group of people.

Silicon Valley, where "free" means "don't get used to this because we're selling to google and shutting it down in three months"

Or it means "we're data mining the fuck out of you, your granny, her cat, and the guy who's banging your wife, so we can deliver you 'relevant' ads"

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#159
post #154

Well, my prediction[1] came true even faster than I anticipated. I don't understand why so many people seem so desperate to see AOO fail and go away. Hey look, if you prefer LO, fine. Some of us prefer AOO for our own reasons. There's no reason to take glee in seeing a project struggle. Anyway, none of this means the project is actually going to be retired. It's just a discussion around something that might happen. […

What reasons are there to prefer OpenOffice? From my perspective, I hear about LibreOffice updates often, and OpenOffice doesn't sound like it's being maintained as much. I don't know if this is actually correct, but I never understood what the need was for keeping them separate after Oracle gave up OO to Apache. LibreOffice seems to have 'won' popular attention if nothing else, and is the one included in distros now…

The two forks represent two different ideologies to a large extent - "permissive" licensing vs "copyleft". Some of us think it's important to have a full-featured, world-class office suite that's under a permissive license. Others think it's important to have a full-featured, world class office suite that's copyleft. Who's to say either is wrong?

Feature wise, there may not be a lot of reasons to prefer AOO right now. I don't know, as I spend very little time looking at / using, LibreOffice. AOO does everything I need, so what differences exist aren't ones that concern me a lot. YMMV.

Re: Contemplating the possible retirement of Apache OpenOffice

#160

See also this discussion on the mailing list, where I asked (recently, August 3rd) if it is a viable idea to somehow combine efforts with LibreOffice again: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg277...

There's effectively a one-way merge already. LO can - and do - consume patches contributed to AOO. But, for a variety of reasons, that are mostly historical as far as I can tell, the LO developers have generally been unwilling to contribute code in the other direction.

An outright "merger" of the two projects seems unlikely due to the licensing differences and the associated thinking. Some people prefer permissive licenses like the ALv2, others prefer the GPL/LGPL world. So getting everybody to agree on that is probably a non-starter.

Post reply on HN