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My Interviews with Amazon

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Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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I'm a little confused. The recruiter said that $170-$200k was an acceptable range. Then they offered him the position for significantly less than that. I don't understand why he even considered the offer. I would have been really upset that they wasted my time with a bait and switch. Am wrong for feeling that way? Are there other factors to consider?

You are not wrong, but there are always other factors to consider. The recruiter has no incentive to tell the truth regarding salary unless it's way off. Think of it this way: worst case scenario, exactly what happens happens. The recruiter gets someone to apply who everyone likes but they don't accept an offer. Best case scenario, something makes the guy take the lower offer - whether it's his wife losing her job or…

I interpret "low 6 figures" to be less than $120k, so it seems a stretch that he could have got anywhere near $170k just by asking.

Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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This is the proper way to handle recruiters:

I responded saying that working for Amazon would be awesome, but for me and Layla to move up to Seattle would require a 170-200k salary. I assumed this recruiter would take a look at that number, scoff, and politely end our conversation – but she affirmed that they could work with that, and asked if I wanted to set up a phone interview.

If you still get too many, then it's time to increase your salary requirement.

Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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Good on the author for making the decision based on his and his family's needs and not "but it's a top-tier company, man, you gotta work for the best be the best do the BEST." People often don't consider cost-of-living when making job decisions. I think the way to do it is to equalize the salaries based on cost-of-living across each company you're considering. So if you make $60,000 in a small midwestern town, that's…

> So if you make $60,000 in a small midwestern town, that's the same as making $120k in Seattle or the Bay Area. Not true at all. I made almost that exact jump when moving from the Midwest to Seattle. You're forgetting things like raises, bonuses, and 401(k) matching that are a % of your salary. Sign-on bonuses and stock benefits are common out here but rare in the Midwest. Plus, even if your housing cost doubles, ot…

Since you typically have to wait a year to find out if the promises about raises and bonuses were legitimate, I never factor that into a decision.

Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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Interestingly, I opened the Amazon door as a new dev and found something very different than what this post describes. The first step - before speaking to anyone about my background or interest - was going to be an intensive, one-hour coding session. It looked like it would be more "independent proof of competence" than "friendly programming task to evaluate you". I was expected to be on webcam the entire time to ver…

I applied to amazon last month, they asked me to do interviewstreet coding for 2 hrs. After that Recruiter didn't even have the minimum courtesy to let me know what happened. He simply stopped all communications with me. Reflects their attitude of treating ppl as mere 'resources' , I would work for amazon if I have no self-respect.

After that Recruiter didn't even have the minimum courtesy to let me know what happened.

That's pretty common recently for companies. I'm not sure why.

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I've worked at Amazon for around 4 years now. I work 9-5 most days. The days I don't I'll work 10-6! I still work there because I get to work on interesting distributed systems. I've never really had any of the bad experiences that others have seem to had. I reasonably get along with my manager, his manager, and the VP of my organization. They are not the assholes that every complaint seems to mention. Even in Seattl…

$600k real estate puts you well above "upper middle class" nationally. Maybe not in a limited geographic area, and certainly not SF/NY/DC, but that's well over 3x the median home value for the entire country.

Housing is cheaper in other places because salaries are lower. The same worker who is paid enough for a $600k house in a tech hub would be paid proportionally less in a place with cheaper housing. (Unless he was just underpaid in the tech hub, and could have gotten enough for a palatial house in the tech hub at a different employer).

People don't live in the national average, they live in limited geographic areas, and the salaries that make people try to characterize tech workers as rich tend to come in - you guessed it - SF, NY, and DC.

Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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Good on the author for making the decision based on his and his family's needs and not "but it's a top-tier company, man, you gotta work for the best be the best do the BEST." People often don't consider cost-of-living when making job decisions. I think the way to do it is to equalize the salaries based on cost-of-living across each company you're considering. So if you make $60,000 in a small midwestern town, that's…

The difference in practice is nowhere near that though: I made those 60K when I graduated, in 2000! Salaries in the midwest for experienced engineers are far better than 80K: A few years ago, I made 120K as a full time employee in St Louis. A darned good house is 200K. Consulting gigs pay more: Last year I billed 220K, just a single customer. In comparison, I know senior engineers in the bay area making 150K at compa…

Hi, I'm also from St. Louis, any chance I could bounce some questions off you in regards to consulting? My email is in the profile, thanks!

Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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Good on the author for making the decision based on his and his family's needs and not "but it's a top-tier company, man, you gotta work for the best be the best do the BEST." People often don't consider cost-of-living when making job decisions. I think the way to do it is to equalize the salaries based on cost-of-living across each company you're considering. So if you make $60,000 in a small midwestern town, that's…

The difference in practice is nowhere near that though: I made those 60K when I graduated, in 2000! Salaries in the midwest for experienced engineers are far better than 80K: A few years ago, I made 120K as a full time employee in St Louis. A darned good house is 200K. Consulting gigs pay more: Last year I billed 220K, just a single customer. In comparison, I know senior engineers in the bay area making 150K at compa…

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Re: My Interviews with Amazon

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Interesting, I get pestered by them constantly, and never actually considered going for it. For one thing, the common sentiment on HN seems to be 'friends don't let friends work for Amazon'. Amazon seems like a meat grinder, where getting hired isn't as hard as it seems, and they just burn through young people who don't know better. This is as someone completely on the outside who's only heard stories, though. When I…

I'll work for them in a heartbeat. Seriously, I want to work somewhere where I'm never bored, and can take part in conversations, etc. It seems like a good place for an ambitious new grad for a few years. If there are any Amazon employees reading this, please reach out!

Feel free to get in touch (email is in my HN profile) or to look at the AWS Careers page.

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I'll work for them in a heartbeat. Seriously, I want to work somewhere where I'm never bored, and can take part in conversations, etc. It seems like a good place for an ambitious new grad for a few years. If there are any Amazon employees reading this, please reach out!

Yah so this is the age old problem. Big companies do really big thing. Google is literally changing the world. But if you get a job there, you are employee #145,231. Maybe if you work hard for 5 years you can rise to the rank of middle manager, and attend a meeting with someone that reports to the CEO, and maybe you can try to get a project you want done scheduled. More likely you will just do the work you are assign…

I found my experience at Google to be different. While you have your primary job, and that's what you are judged on, you are free to experiment, innovate, create, and so forth, and Google is very good at recognizing self-started impact and rewarding these folks with more opportunities.
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