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Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by takeda »

mildavw wrote: post #44
deanCommie wrote: post #21

Okay, I'll be the contrarian one: I HATE the name. There have already been trends in the mainstream and right wing media that "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", that the NSA only monitors the communication of criminals, and that things like iPhone encryption help terrorists first. With that in mind, can you imagine the reaction that the average lay-person will have when they see a clickbait head…

Suggestions and/or concepts you (OP) want to evoke: Patriot Freedom Liberty Good Citizen Free Speech America Fourth Amendment Secure In Papers Right To Privacy

IMO liberty is probably the best name from that list.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by freshhawk »

Gargoyle wrote: post #52
masukomi wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely horrible choice of a name. There's so much BS regarding the use of encryption and it keeps coming up in criminal cases, that normal folks are going to avoid using a think that might somehow be linked with a felony.

Fork it, name it whatever you want. Problem solved, welcome to open source.

Yeah, hostile forks for minor reasons go over real well in the open source community. Don't welcome people to a community you obviously don't have much experience in please!

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by unimpressive »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #139
wmluke wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, the trending HN commentry is focused on this name, and as much I like a good naming debate, I feel it is distracting from more "significant" concerns, such as... How does the app handle encryption? Has there been a security review?How are keys handled? How are conversations persisted in the app? Does it use iCloud? Etc...

Unfortunately, these endless tangents are becoming increasingly common on HN. I guess these are people who want to show off how smart they are but really don't have anything interesting to say about the topic at hand, so they go for the low-hanging fruits like spelling, layout, titles, and so on.

The name is an actual show stopper, and the author is being intransigent about changing it so it's only natural for it to be the lions share of the discussion.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by takeda »

Sylos wrote: post #88
deanCommie wrote: post #21

Okay, I'll be the contrarian one: I HATE the name. There have already been trends in the mainstream and right wing media that "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", that the NSA only monitors the communication of criminals, and that things like iPhone encryption help terrorists first. With that in mind, can you imagine the reaction that the average lay-person will have when they see a clickbait head…

Yeah, and on the other side we have propaganda-names like "USA PATRIOT Act" or "Privacy Shield".

As someone here mentioned:

Those are taking something negative and wrap it in a positive name (positive gain for the author)

We're taking something positive and wrap it in a negative name. This will only cause negative gain. Not only for the author but also for making encryption seem like something evil. This is especially bad time when politicians are trying to ban encryption.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by hasenj »

deanCommie wrote: post #21

Okay, I'll be the contrarian one: I HATE the name. There have already been trends in the mainstream and right wing media that "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", that the NSA only monitors the communication of criminals, and that things like iPhone encryption help terrorists first. With that in mind, can you imagine the reaction that the average lay-person will have when they see a clickbait head…

Although I think anyone can fork it and rebrand it and always keep the fork up to date. It would be an exact replica, just with a different name.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by pwinnski »

henryboldi wrote: post #33
deanCommie wrote: post #21

Okay, I'll be the contrarian one: I HATE the name. There have already been trends in the mainstream and right wing media that "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", that the NSA only monitors the communication of criminals, and that things like iPhone encryption help terrorists first. With that in mind, can you imagine the reaction that the average lay-person will have when they see a clickbait head…

Fair points. The title was kinda a joke originally and then it just stuck.

It's still a joke.

Five hours on HN, and the name's not changed yet? I'll check the next time this is posted with a usable name. IOW, when you start taking it seriously, so will I.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by Mithaldu »

everfree wrote: post #147
Mithaldu wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will this thing ever use less than 130MB of RAM? If so, how do you plan to do that?

Just curious: Are you running on a Raspberry Pi or other machine with constrained resources? 130MB is less than 4% of the memory in most modern computers, and less than 10% of most mid-range phones.

Just to be nice i'll assume you ask earnestly and answer earnestly: I have 16 GB of RAM. However i also always have more than one app running at any given time. In fact, my system usually has 200+ things running. I also don't mind if things use a lot of memory if: They either use it to give me a lot of bang for my buck, or are not long-running processes. Felony ticks neither of these boxes.

Also do keep in mind that the 130MB number is right after start without even logging in or using it at all. Due to memory usage by actual feature usage, and creep due to leaks, i can expect that number to easily double and more.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by 1209102312 »

tzakrajs wrote: post #149
theli0nheart wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dislike this attitude. Sure, you can change the name (or do whatever you want) by forking, but what would that really achieve? Forking for a reason like this without a conversation isn't polite, nor will it likely achieve the best outcome.

What it could achieve is a clone that simply replaces the names and requires very little maintenance. If the community agrees and adopts, then politeness be damned. Edit: To put the converse: If it's a shitty idea, then no one will use it and it didn't matter that you were polite anyways.

Parasitic attitudes like this one drive away original authors. There should be a license to exclude assholes from using open source.

Re: Felony – An open-source PGP keychain

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Post by cyphar »

tzakrajs wrote: post #149
theli0nheart wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dislike this attitude. Sure, you can change the name (or do whatever you want) by forking, but what would that really achieve? Forking for a reason like this without a conversation isn't polite, nor will it likely achieve the best outcome.

What it could achieve is a clone that simply replaces the names and requires very little maintenance. If the community agrees and adopts, then politeness be damned. Edit: To put the converse: If it's a shitty idea, then no one will use it and it didn't matter that you were polite anyways.

To be fair, this did happen with GCC. But everyone hated everyone else for years as a result. Forking fractures a community -- for something as trivial as this it isn't worth it. But it is worth DoSing the maintainer until they realise that making an encryption program called "Felony" is a brain-dead idea.
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