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Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

The difference between a confident stud, and a confident creep, illustrated (sometimes comedy is the best way to make a point): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY

you'd honestly be amazed at the effectiveness of confidence for unattractive guys. also pro-tip: just because you don't consider yourself attractive doesn't mean that dressing well and taking care of yourself doesn't do wonders.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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> Surely he is allowed to have his children benefit from his > work after his death. For how many generations?

You touch on a good point. I think our copyright term in the US is far, far too long. But, until the copyright term is changed, it is the law and we should respect that, especially since most of the audiance on this site makes their living through IP of one kind or another. Also, for this particular book, remember that the coauthor is alive, the primary author died fairly recently(1988) and this book wasn't published…

The fact that you consider 1988 to be "fairly recently" shows how badly US copyright laws and lobbying efforts have skewed people's perceptions. In 1988, there was no Facebook, Youtube, Google, Amazon, or web, cellphones were virtually unheard of, many of the people on this forum were unborn, the Berlin wall was standing and Michael Jackson was at the top of the world. It was a long, long time ago.

The justification for intellectual "property" is to encourage creators to work that will eventually belong to the public. I cannot believe that an author's decision to write a book at that time was influenced by whether or not could continue extracting profits in today's world.

The original copyright term of 14 years might have been defensible for books in that time, but extensions are very, very hard to justify in terms of the benefits to society.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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It was also before mass production of penicillin. Venereal diseases like syphilis and gonorrhea were a much bigger deal back then.

Didn't they already have Penicillin during WW2? I think the story must have taken place after WW2? But maybe it wasn't mass produced, military only or something.

They had it, but it wasn't mass-produced, and nearly all doses went to soldiers on the front that had suffered injuries or amputations. There wasn't enough for ordinary infections - they'd even collect the urine of soldiers being dosed so that excreted penicillin could be distilled and re-used.

I figure that the story took place either during the war or slightly after (late 1940s). Penicillin wasn't mass-produced and available to consumers until the 1950s.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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You cut off the quote. Why? Here is the rest: "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could understand it." That was the essence of Richard's charm.

Because I do not want his charm to detract from the rest of it. (charisma > sexism) == wrong. Also, in my opinion, it is actually a bit sad that the lady says, "oh well, it's ok to be treated that way because he's a good teacher". This is exactly the kind of compromise that victims make too often. Bill Clinton was not even being sexist and he got tasered big time. I'm not sure why Feynman should get a pass.

oh well, it's ok to be treated that way because he's a good teacher

Whether you think it's sad or not, I have known people who felt exactly this way. e.g., my senior year EE lab partner was a woman who couldn't stand our Theory of Communications prof, but put up with him because he was the only person who could explain the topics in a way that made sense to her.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't alone in that sentiment. Fortunately or unfortunately, we all have to make compromises.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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The entire book (Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman) is amazing and hilarious. I highly recommend it for the HN crowd.

It's a wonderful anecdote, but where to begin.. I was pretty hopeless at the whole dating game till I read The Game and started to try it out; it was a brilliant read. But the bare truth of it is that it doesn't actually work all that well. Oh yeh sure you can be a PUA and grab some fairly shallow girls - but it's a bit boring to be honest (and your success rate is fairly low - you "win" by asking lots of women). The…

The parent is great advice for dates and for life (is there a distinction, really?)

> go on a date just to have a good time with a girl, not just to sleep with her - Be present with no expectations except creating a good time for yourself - others will be attracted to this

>share the costs - Sharing is caring - don't pay for something (in this case, her drinks & dinner) unless you want to

> dont be gentlemanly at the end of the night. She's a person too and if she's not interested in getting laid she'll just say no - Assume responsibility for what you want, and assume she'll take responsibility for what she wants

> be confident. She's on a date with you already!! - Act like you've been there before... get out of your head and into the present moment.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

I'm not sure what a confident creep would be like. Confidence is confidence. A confident man knows restraint, and as long as he's good with restraint, he's not in danger of being a creep. It is good to play with expectations, to acknowledge them without actually "acknowledging" them. A creep wouldn't have the confidence to let this play out; they have to confirm that the other person is aware of the "acknowledgment"…

This may just boil down to semantics, but I would call the hypothetical "confident man" you are talking about a confident, socially skilled man.

My "confident creep" has inner confidence in his abilities (he might even think of himself as a god among men), but he cannot correctly project his confidence (though in his mind, he is projecting it correctly). He can drop any empathy and ask such a question without being nervous, but his style, dress, conversation, etc. are so awkward, it fails.

Point being: Confidence is not the only thing that matters. You actually need social skills.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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You touch on a good point. I think our copyright term in the US is far, far too long. But, until the copyright term is changed, it is the law and we should respect that, especially since most of the audiance on this site makes their living through IP of one kind or another. Also, for this particular book, remember that the coauthor is alive, the primary author died fairly recently(1988) and this book wasn't published…

The fact that you consider 1988 to be "fairly recently" shows how badly US copyright laws and lobbying efforts have skewed people's perceptions. In 1988, there was no Facebook, Youtube, Google, Amazon, or web, cellphones were virtually unheard of, many of the people on this forum were unborn, the Berlin wall was standing and Michael Jackson was at the top of the world. It was a long, long time ago. The justification…

Now that I think about it, you have a good point!

And I think you may be closer to the mark with 14 years than I was with 25, though some franchises continue to be active longer than 14 years. The Simpsons for instance are still producing new episodes after roughly 23 years.

Either way, 1988 is extremely recent in comparison with the way the current copyright laws are written and many other books that are still under copyright after multiple decades. I may disagree with the law as it is now, but until we manage to get it changed, it is the law.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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What was the quality of the women who responded favorably to this line? :P I think it's also worthy to note that the origin makes a huge difference. If you e.g. have an underwear model trying that line on a woman, it will no doubt succeed more often than if a stereotypical truck driver delivered it in exactly the same way.

They are NOT really responding to the line. That's the thing. With an opener like that, what matters is attitude and confidence. If you deliver it completely normal, as if you couldn't possibly imagine it could be offensive, then most likely they will just start by laughing it off or throwing some test in your face, expecting you to fall apart. If you show you can handle what they throw back at you, you've both demon…

You seem to contradict yourself:

Personally I'd expect that line to work better on "good quality" girls, actually. Especially pretty girls that know they look good.

Uh huh.

With really beautiful and/or confident girls you're more likely for them to expect guys to be shy and deferential or just plain creepy.

Of course the chance of coming off as creepy with a line like that if not delivered with the perfect attitude is pretty high.

Uh? So if a pretty girl is more used to guys being shy or creepy and you deliver the line in question, which way do you think she's more likely to interpret the approach? You then go on to say that in any case, the chances of coming off as creepy while using such a line are pretty high.

Sexual intent, confidence and the perception that you're very successful with women and don't need to by shy about what you're after means far more than looks.

Well that really depends on how ugly you are, doesn't it. :) If you're average to good looking, then yeah I can see (and have personally seen) how attitude makes a difference. If you look like you fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, then good luck with that awesome confidence you're exuding. I suspect it will be just you and your hand tonight, as a lady once sung.

Sounds to me like you're more working off how you wish things were as opposed to how they are. It seems pretty self evident in my mind that no matter how the line in question is delivered, there will be girls who respond positively and girls who do not. The point I'm trying to make is that it's more about the girl than it is the opening line. How inebriated the girl is would make a large difference to the outcome of the interaction and at the risk of repeating myself, in my experience the girls who would respond positively to that line generally are not the ones I've wanted to sleep with.

It's another thing entirely if we're talking about using this line or something similar on a woman who you've know for a while and who has had a chance to get used to your personality and sense of humour. I think there might be a far greater chance of a positive response from a "quality girl" in this case. But this isn't what we're talking about here.

In the end, I guess you can test your expectations for yourself. Let me know how it goes. :) And hey, this is HN and I have no studies or statistics I can cite to prove my point so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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I could never do it. I just can't. I'm too much of a coward. I think I might die if I asked.

I used to think that too. Get a coach. Seriously. Whether just a friend, or someone who is paid. Doesn't need to be about "pickup" at all - just someone to push you into going up to random strangers and strike up a conversation until you're so desensitized to it you just get used to talking to anyone and saying anything you like . You're likely to find that having a friend physically force you to take the first step…

It sounds bizarre, but by far the best thing I ever did in this direction was to start wearing Vibram Five Fingers in public. They look like crazy monkey shoes, and initially I was mortified at drawing such attention to myself, but within a few months I had completely adjusted. Moreover, they are an incredible ice-breaker: I've had more conversations with strangers in the last 1.5 years than in the previous rest of my life combined.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

The difference between a confident stud, and a confident creep, illustrated (sometimes comedy is the best way to make a point): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY

lol, creep perhaps. But hardly confident :p
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