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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

>Never10 does NOT prevent the installation of Windows updates, including the infamous Get Windows 10 (GWX) update KB3035583. Never10 simply employs Microsoft's documented and sanctioned configuration settings to instruct it NOT to change the installed version of Windows. That would not have helped in this situation OP stated what hurt them was the huge amount bandwidth (6GB) used on an account where they pay per MB.

What it actually does [0] is set group policy according to the Microsoft specified methods [1]. It would have helped in this situation as not only would Windows not have downloaded the update in the first place, it would have deleted it had it already been somehow downloaded.

[0]: https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm

[1]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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The windows boxes in our office have been upgrading themselves, much to everyone's dismay: The one in the meeting room decided to upgrade and then break in the middle of a client presentation I was leading. I got my Mac and continued on, but it was embarrassing. My colleague's machine upgraded itself overnight, and in the process deleted a bunch of files and corrupted creative suite. I know having as many people as p…

I thought business licenses for Windows didn't do the auto-upgrade?

As I understand it, you have to be on an enterprise installation to avoid the nagware, the sort that typically places hundreds of users under centralized group policy administration. Just buying a "Professional" or "Ultimate" edition license isn't enough.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Surely you're joking? "Click here to change your upgrade schedule" is in such tiny font of course no one will see it. If Microsoft cared about its users, that option would be way bigger than it is. Edit: They purposely put in all that information because they know people won't want to read through all that. That dialog is purposely designed to trick users because they've been taught that if they want to cancel, hit t…

Charitably, Microsoft learned from Windows 95 and Windows NT that if you expect users to upgrade on their own they won't do it. So now they are forcing the issue, albeit with bad execution.

Really? I don't see a lot of people running Windows 95 or Windows NT.

The lesson Microsoft should have learned is that if they come out with a genuinely-improved version of Windows, the user base will adopt it in good time without being herded like sheep.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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>because you're in control Realistically, who reads and reasons about every line of code that their system runs? For the most part, people don't ever really consider software beyond just installing it. In that case, maintainers have control.

I choose from among the dozens of options, based on functionality and configurability. That's the degree of control that I've needed. Saying that "control" would require someone to read every line of source is a wonderful strawman. > In that case, maintainers have control. And if they change the software in a way that I dislike, I can fetch a previous version of the program and use it that way forever, or disable the…

> I can fetch a previous version of the program and use it that way forever

Unless it is a web browser because modern frontend developers tend to make their web apps compatible only with the latest version of a browser they use on their Mac.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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> > The distinction between … becomes pretty moot > I vehemently disagree, since by identifying the actual issue you can I understand where you’re coming from. And I already agreed that what actually happened – the shifty practice to supposedly gain consent – should be the discussion. My entire sentence about the distinction is with regard to giving consent, which is what your original one-liner alluded to. Microsoft…

> common ground If the common ground is that we're somehow in a situation where both Windows users, and MS are being harmed, and the only people benefiting are news websites who get clicks for sensationalist headlines that do nothing to help the users, then i think we've reached it. :) :( vvvv

Oh well, I guess not, then. :-)

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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> Windows 10 represents a significant increase in security Is that really so? It seems that last 20 years Microsoft just plays whack-a-mole game closing endless vulnerabilities instead of designing a better architecture that would not allow such things. For example in Windows any app has full access to a device. The user can run any app written by anyone just by clicking a link on a web page or mail message. In Andro…

I have no idea whether you're being sarcastic or earnest, but the post is funny either way. Describing "the user has a high amount of control over their own personal machine" as a problem is new. :)

No, I was not sarcastic. Many users are happy with being unable to run unsigned apps or listen to pirated music if it makes their devices secure.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Do you think they will start showing advertisements on the Windows 10? Like if you're in settings and a banner ad pops up.

They already are, as you can see from the numerous articles here and elsewhere on the Internet, as well as my personal experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167964 http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-pa...

You think that's bad? I only upgraded to Windows 10 last week, and within minutes of booting it up, it quietly started downloading "Candy Crush Soda Saga" without my permission. I only caught it because I noticed the download indicator in my Start menu, at which point I cancelled it. Apparently there's no simple user option to turn these auto-downloaded apps off either.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

#158

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

I think Win8.1 had this already.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no. There are plenty of people being force-upgraded to 10 who never consented.

I get asked once to update iOS. The second time, the default action is to upgrade at midnight.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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I have no idea whether you're being sarcastic or earnest, but the post is funny either way. Describing "the user has a high amount of control over their own personal machine" as a problem is new. :)

No, I was not sarcastic. Many users are happy with being unable to run unsigned apps or listen to pirated music if it makes their devices secure.

I agree with that on the principle that it's a nice thing to have if it's optional. And amazingly enough, Windows 10 actually does have that: http://i.imgur.com/XV4Hpwd.png
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