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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Netflix begs to differ.

Netflix can make its own app, outside the web.

Netflix already has their own Windows desktop app. Because it can use Microsoft's unsandboxed PlayReady DRM, it can play 1080p video while Chrome and Firefox can only play 720p.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/netflix/9wzdncrfj...

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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So why don't other CDNs support DASH?

until it is widely used and supported, there is a big cost to adding features to a CDN. the means dont justify the ends.

And how is it supposed to be used if CDNs don't support it? Sounds like a circular dependency to me. Technology is here, but without infrastructure it's close to impossible to use at scale.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #73

While the focus is rightly on video, there are a huge number of games written in flash. In the short term this s probably a hug boost for unity... But as flash dies there will be a lot of games that die with it.

Not to mention the massive elearning industry which has many, many years' worth of training content in Flash. Products like Captivate and Articulate can export to HTML5 these days, but converting existing content is a huge feat.

(FWIW here's where Adobe Captivate is with HTML5 support: https://helpx.adobe.com/captivate/using/publish-projects-htm...)

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #107

I've heard that many CDNs are still lagging to adopt DASH, and it causes a major problem for any service which wants to implement HTML5 video (DASH + Media Source Extensions). How does it work for Youtube, do they simply run their own CDN? > DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow I agree to other commenters here who pointed the nonsense of this. DRM is not an important part of the workflow. It's…

Maybe I'm naïve or not seeing something here but DASH looks like something you can do by storing a couple of files somewhere and setting a MIME type [0]?

What's special about DASH that CDNs need to specially support it? Or are you talking about services that handle transcoding video and such as well?

[0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/DASH_Adapt...

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

I'll see your rant and raise you an exasperated sigh. > We are starting to become a bunch of sheep You might be, but not all of us are. > why are we not pissed off about this About them blocking (but still bundling) flash in 2016? I'd honestly be more questioning why they ever bundled it in the first place. I use Safari and have not installed Flash in.. years. But if you mean pissed off about Google using it's positi…

> About them blocking (but still bundling) flash in 2016? I'd honestly be more questioning why they ever bundled it in the first place.

Google bundles Flash with Chrome so they can push out Flash security updates quickly and seamlessly.

Adobe's non-Chrome Flash Player has its own update check, but it's not automatic. The "updater" just opens the adobe.com download page. The user must still manually download the real updater exe, unselect any "special offers", run the updater from wherever their browser saved it, and restart their non-Chrome browser.

I wonder how common Flash would still be if Google hadn't bundled Flash (and paid Google security engineers fuzz and fix Flash bugs).

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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How do you know they give their own web page a pass? It could be scored low and Google just doesn't care, or like all of us, has other priorities. The fact that Google recommends lightweight pages, and still builds heavy pages is contradicting, but doesn't mean they've built in some sort of "whitelist" for their own sites.

How about, "Google doesn't do what it makes others do" which is true whether they give a boost to themselves or not.

Google doesn't make websites be lightweight. Heavy websites get indexed just like any other. If they want to make a heavy page and accept the penalty, there's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

>DRM has never been important for online video workflow Yes it has. Always.

Would there be more piracy of online video had no DRM? It only takes one person to try hard enough to rip a video and put it on a torrent. Conversely, I don't think removing DRM would increase viewers (not that many would not watch a movie they want to see due to their thoughts about DRM), but at least the providers could save a bit of money without it.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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With what? EME is a "cure" for a problem you shouldn't have in the first place. Idiotic technology to do nothing useful and solve no problems to make some content company executives feel better about their liability. EME does abosolutely nothing to prevent piracy and only serves as another roadblock for people to jump before seeing videos.

Bad actors exist, hence the technology does something useful. Piracy [probably] isn't a problem for you, but if you think it isn't a problem at all, then you should read this: http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-...

All it shows is that there is certain group of people which will pirate even if the content would be given for free.

The people that would view paid content should not be punished with DRM, that only works on certain platforms and certain browsers.

It actually makes pirated product much better than original. Pirated videos besides being free work on all platforms, you can view it on your computer, phone, tablet. Living or visiting a different country does not revoke your rights to see it, and you can make as many copies of it as you want.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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This is a real blow to sites that rely on Flash's RTMP for low-latency live streaming. There's no real HTML5 equivalent right now. HLS and MPEG-DASH have a delay of around 30 seconds, often more.

You can get MPEG-DASH latency far below 30s: https://github.com/gpac/node-gpac-dash
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