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Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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I disagree. I don't have an interest in digging through ZH posts to prove my point, but in general the spin of the site is conspiratorial in nature. Whether it's the Fed is in it with the banks to provide free money to prop up the market, or the BLS number are not to be believed or trusted, or any other number of reoccurring themes, ZH is a conspiracy site.

The Fed, by it's own admission, saved the world from financial Armageddon during the last crisis by acting as a lender of last resort to many a large financial institutions. They also had private meetings with banks to try and stabilize the markets. Whether they went too far with their monetary policy is something that we will only find out with time, but there is nothing conspiratorial here.

Not conspiratorial, but the government picking winners and losers is certainly ripe for abuse. The government's job is certainly not to use taxpayer's money to support businesses who made poor decisions (started with LTCM' bailout in 1997). The justification is always one of "saving the financial system from collapse", yet nothing was done since 2008 to break up the "too big to fail" entities.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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I think ZH is a great site, and I read it daily, BUT if you don't take it with a truckload of salt then it will be hazardous to your wealth. Seriously, if you had been in the ZH bear trade since 2009, then you missed out on the greatest stock market rally in a generation. I know, because I missed the first half of said rally as a ZH reader until I realized that the constant drumbeat of negative news from that site wa…

Its click bait plus some useful info.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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>I think that the authors have no problem with authoritarianism Like any conspiracy site, it's going to attract people who share a view of the world in which everything must be orchestrated, controlled - a reason for all things. Randomness has no place in the mind of a conspiracy theorist. The order provided by conspiracies comfort the conspiracy theorist: paradoxically making the world feel safer, more ordered while…

What's sad is no matter how often people like you are proven wrong you'll just keep on repeating the same bullshit. I recall HN saying gold market manipulation was conspiracy theory, ZH was right HN commenters were wrong. There's a long list but when it comes to finance HN commenters are typically poorly educated.

One shouldn't expect HN commenters to be well educated in the fields of economics and finance.

They are, after all, complex fields that take degrees and years of study and this is largely a tech forum. You don't see economists jumping onto stack overflow and yelling about how wrong this or that piece of code is, but somehow the reverse occurs with mind-boggling frequency.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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I love the potential conflict of interest statement in the article: "Bloomberg LP competes with Zero Hedge in providing financial news and information."

The Bloomberg journo who put that in was either chuckling or clenching their teeth, or both.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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ZH may be early and there may be some separation of the wheat from the chaff that one must do, but their general bearish theme resonates as true based on the data.

The BLS numbers are phony. They monkey around with the denominator, so drop-outs from the workforce are not counted. They also count one person losing a good full-time job but gaining multiple part-time jobs as a net positive. Never mind those numbers---all you need to know is that the adult labor force participation rate is at its lowest in about 4 decades.[0] The ratio of average income to home prices is about twice that of the 50s/60s (over 3.3) Also, if unemployment were measured as it was decades earlier, the unemployment number would be much higher. Outside of tech, where tons of money has flowed thanks to the Fed's helicopter money and investors seeking higher returns (as interest rates are ~0), the economy has been doing lousy. Yet all we're told via mainstream sources is that the Fed and Obama saved the day and shutup about it already!

As others have noted, this expansion is long-in-the-tooth, at least by historical standards. Companies' inventories are up, which also signals an economic slowdown in the works. After QE1, QE2, QE3, and bond buying totaling $4 trillion (!) of expansion of the monetary supply, we've had a paltry sub-3% GDP growth (0.5% in the first quarter of this year!). A former Fed board member admitted recently that they "front-loaded" the recovery; indeed, it should be noted that this "recovery" is almost a direct result of the Fed's actions regarding monetary expansion. This also explains the fantastic increase in asset values (classic cars, houses, art, stocks, etc.)

The Fed is a private cartel. It is the third central bank in the history of the U.S., and was created so the banks would no longer be forced to compete with each other. It is not independent of politics (far from it)---for example, Yellen knows she should raise interest rates, but knows that the Democrats will be thrown out of office if she does before 2016 (see the minuscule 25 basis-point increase that caused huge market turmoil late last year), and a Republican would throw her out the day he was sworn in. Even if you don't believe the "conspiracy", the fact of the matter is that central planning is disastrous, and it is especially disastrous when it comes to the price of currency (i.e., interest rates), as that affects everything else in an advanced economy (especially long-term capital investments).

ZH has done a good job keeping us apprised of these developments. They operate under the assumption that the current fiat currently standard cannot survive, and they are right. Of course the timing is virtually impossible, but I (like them) predict a bad recession in the next year or two. Over the longer term, the system will inevitably collapse.

[0] https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/07/02/percentage-w...

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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'The site's core Austrian philosophy is at odds with the forefront of economic evidence.' Which evidence are you referring to? Would you mind sharing some of it?

A slightly technical read, but here you go: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm .

So, a link to conjecture from an associate professor at the PREEMINENT SCHOOL for studying Austrian School economics in the US... is evidence against Austrian school economics?

Let me put it this way: there is a lot of financial incentive for Austrian School economics to appear "wrong", because Keynesian "economics" is really all about printing money and earmarking it for buddies within a given office's constituency.

Austrian School economics can't really actually be wrong. It's primarily the study of basically common sense things that can be proven a priori, such as subjective value (if you like purple more than I do, a purple bike might be worth more to you than to me... can something like that really be proven wrong?) and ideas like allowing people to spend money as a means of expressing the value of a given good or service.

The fact that there is an active movement within our government and its "education" system to apparently disprove such things is preposterous. But given the financial incentives, it's not surprising.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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'The site's core Austrian philosophy is at odds with the forefront of economic evidence.' Which evidence are you referring to? Would you mind sharing some of it?

A slightly technical read, but here you go: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm .

I appreciate the link, this was a good read even though I ultimately disagree with his overall assertion. This issue isn't going to be settled here, or anytime soon, it's been going on since before many of us were born, and will probably continue after we're gone.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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> first ones to break or provide color on important stories. No question about the color, but do you have an example for those "break on important stories".

I can't speak to the "important" in that claim, but the folks at ZH have friends and connections in the world of finance from whom they can get leaked communications and reports. For example, this post on Trump's nomination chances [1] draws heavily upon charts produced by Goldman Sachs, presumably for their clients only. [1] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/can-trump-win-gener... Edited to add : I also know…

Bank's client research is widely available.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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I lost about $100k in 2009 buying into the ZH-gloom and doom mentality, unfortunately. Everything they said made sense, but it just wasn't how the world works.

I learned a very valuable lesson from reading Housing Bubble blogs and what not during the 2008 Financial Crisis. I prided myself on being one of those people who saw it before it was happening, and had purchased double shorted bank ETF's. I thought I was a genius by "getting news first" and acting on it, and seeing the money I was "making". But then the Government stepped in and said they would not let the banks fai…

You learned half the lesson. The other half is the over-class will force the government to do whatever is needed to keep them from going bust.

My dad claimed that the biggest mistake he made financially was when Chrysler was going bankrupt in in the early eighties. He knew that it was politically impossible for the government to let Chrysler fail. However my dad didn't follow through and sock the 100k he had into Chrysler stock.

I did the same thing. I knew in January 2009 that the slide in financial stocks was over. Should have put half into Goldman Sacks half into JP Morgan. The Fed wasn't going to let Goldman Sacks and JP Morgan fail.

Re: Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge

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No. I'm speaking about people who spend most of their time online on conspiracy sites. I should know, I used to be one of them. I was 17 when 9/11 happened and spent most of the early 2000's reading about lizard people, the Illuminati and the bilderberg group. I'm ashamed to admit it, but once upon a time I was a daily reader of Alex Jones. There are conspiracies. They exist. But I'm mostly speaking to the mindset of…

That's the weird thing about conspiracy theorists. There certainly are big historic coverups; here in the UK we're dealing with finally having an inquest that acknowledges the truth about Hillsborough, for example. But they form a tiny part of the conspiracist worldview.

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