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Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

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Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

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Sure it did. Linux.

Both the Linux kernel and the GNU OS predate Caldera acquiring the Santa Cruz Operation and turning into a lawsuit house.

But SCO preceeded Linux. If there'd been a cheap version of SCO in the first half of the 1990s, I doubt I'd have looked twice at Linux. My employer at the time did look at SCO, but WFWG solved the problem for us.

But your sequencing is dead on. It's a messy story.

Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

#152
I really don't understand what Oracle's lawyers are thinking.

Yes, coming up with ever-more-creative theories about why Google owes Oracle might have some tactical advantages, but any victory in court on those terms would be pyrrhic.

It doesn't matter how many billions Google coughs up if the next phone call is IBM demanding the company for using SQL.

Aren't Oracle's lawyers looking past the next move? Are they that confident that their API arguments will lose? Do they really have that much faith in the hairs they're splitting between Google's API reuse and Oracle's?

Or is their advice being colored by all the follow-on legal work there will be because Oracle is going down this path?

Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

#153
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Judge Alsup has a long history of handling technical cases. He's no dummy.

I'm aware. I was making a larger critique w/r/t the justice system especially concerning higher level court decisions and the justices (more likely, their clerks) who draft opinions.

Was pretty sure you were aware.

Things could be worse. This could be decided in East Texas, for instance. That well-known hotbed of technical innovation ... /s

Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the Linux kernel and the GNU OS predate Caldera acquiring the Santa Cruz Operation and turning into a lawsuit house.

But SCO preceeded Linux. If there'd been a cheap version of SCO in the first half of the 1990s, I doubt I'd have looked twice at Linux. My employer at the time did look at SCO, but WFWG solved the problem for us. But your sequencing is dead on. It's a messy story.

Ah. I think the original commenter was referring to the lawsuits, not to SCO's business model when it actually had products and services.

Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

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I don't see Android team itself is going to switch to Go or Javascript for android. Otherwise, I would say Kotlin[0] would be a better alternative to Java. [0]: https://kotlinlang.org

I'm curious how switching to Kotlin would help since it relies on the Java APIs and libs...

Kotlin is hip and cool.

Since it outputs bytecode, IANAL but it probably does not helps with Java APIs litigation.

Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android

#156
1. Oracle's lawyers are idiots as they can't show it's same. For example run apache http client jar on android and java. It's same. Idiots.

2. If Oracle's dumb lawyers win, I'm happy. I get paid a salary to work. Why should companies get code for free, why do they need me. Copying and violating a license is bad. Even GPL and other code I write, respect the license.

3. To summarize, would you want Google to violate GPL?

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