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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by drjesusphd » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:09 PM UTC

george_soros wrote: post #100

raverbashing wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Local", yes, keep telling yourself that 2nd generation immigrants I'm not against immigration per se, but there's a lot of problems coming from people who fail (because it's mostly their responsibility) to integrate

They don't fail to integrate, they don't want to. Big difference. I believe there will be a time in Europe, when people will have enough and will demand deportation of every muslim. So 99 good muslims will be deported for every 1 bad muslim. I'm not saying I want this time to come, but what else can happen ? Drastic times == drastic measures.

Except these times really aren't that drastic.

A moderately successful terrorist attack on occasion does not Armageddon make.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by rtpg » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

Kiro wrote: post #79

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

> we need more police Why is this a bad thing? I feel safer with more police presence but maybe that's just me.

There are a lot of details about this point...

Police have a bad habit of harassing populations (several riots in France were a result of policing practices such as asking everyone for an ID). It helps to contribute to send a message of unwelcomeness to people who are likely already disillusioned in the system.

It's unlikely that more police could stop attacks. Maybe deal with the aftermath/manhunts better. But it sounds like more precision operations (including human intelligence) will go a lot further.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by rawTruthHurts » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

Comparing terrorist attacks with traffic accidents is quite a display of originality.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by twoodfin » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

On the other hand, a bus accident doesn't result in an international airport or a city's entire metro system shutting down for an extended period of time, nor frightfully disrupt the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

I appreciate your point, and it is somewhat reassuring, but terrorists can cause damage beyond the raw numbers because their damage can be focused.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by pluma » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:11 PM UTC

creshal wrote: post #73

ekianjo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services Looks like it's not working too well. Surveillance services have gained mass resources since 2015 in France and that did not stop the December attacks at all.

France has had the most extensive surveillance system in continental Europe for over a decade and it has helped roundabout nothing.

Even more blatant:

Exhibit A: The Mossad is generally considered one of the best intelligence services world-wide.

Exhibit B: There are still frequent terrorist attacks in Israel.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by DanBC » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:11 PM UTC

odinduty wrote: post #8

rplnt wrote: post #2

The comments there are... as expected I guess.

I guess it's hard to feel in any other way when recent migration policies have translated into a sharp decline of our own security in our own developed countries.

Caitlin Moran -

> Always good, on days like this, to remind everyone that the guys blowing up Brussels are THE PEOPLE THE REFUGEES ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by crispyambulance » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:11 PM UTC

SonicSoul wrote: post #140

crispyambulance wrote: post #68

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Explosives detection is a perfectly worthy thing to do. Unfortunately, by the time there's a bomb at the airport, it is too late unless "James Bond" is on the scene. The core issues here need to be addressed.

why is it too late? it can still save many lives even if there is a 5 min notice

It is "too late" if you want to actually solve the problem of terrorist organizations blowing up people at airports.

Yes, we should have security and even bomb detection tech in select public places... but that's secondary to what needs to be done to fix this mess.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by microtonal » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:12 PM UTC

akerro wrote: post #22

rplnt wrote: post #2

The comments there are... as expected I guess.

What didn't you expect? Hug-protest and tolerance march? People in Benelux are scared since November, after Paris attacks underground was blocked for a few days and military with full armament was on every corner.

s/Benelux/Brussels/, perhaps Belgium.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by lgieron » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #101

creshal wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has had the most extensive surveillance system in continental Europe for over a decade and it has helped roundabout nothing.

Indeed. It seems to be the prevalent opinion among European counter-terrorism experts that the most effective policies are: - Bringing more eyes and ears in the form of social workers and community policemen in problematic neighborhoods. - Provide better education/work opportunities for immigrants. - Better cooperation between municipalities and Muslim organisations/mosques. - Deradicalization programs. Of course, im…

What are 'deradicalization programs'? I'd say if some people (i.e. some imams) are semi-openly calling for destruction of France, they should just be banished from the country.