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2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#151

If 10% identify as Ninja, and 17% of ninjas use windows phone, that seems to contradict this: > We received 59 responses from Windows Phone Mobile Developers (.1%).

It's users vs developers.

1.7% of respondents are WP users (10% x 17%), and only 0.1% of respondents are WP developers.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#152
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And in the end, you are not more productive than with sublime text or notepad++. In my experience.

What does "in the end" mean? I've been working in Vim and then Emacs+Evil for four years or so and it is pretty clear that I'm still far from proficient. That said, it is an enormous step above a text editor (and somewhat better than any IDE I've tried).

I really tried vim for months. I found it uselessly verbose while sublime has straightforward key shortcut that help a lot.

How could you be more efficient using vim ? That's something I don't understand. I always suspect vim and emacs user saying it because it makes them feel like super programmer.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#153

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Most loved top 5: 1. Rust 2. Swift 3. F# 4. Scala 5. Go

I would say "Most Hyped", perception of what we love is shaped by the internet opinions. I doubt many people do Rust as part of their job or even hobby projects. On the other hand Sharepoint and Objective-C is part of our day to day routine...

I... Love Scala.

It's just a really flexible language, while it has its warts, I feel they almost got it in combining the best of FP and OO.

I was a SharePoint developer in previous life. End-users love SharePoint, but it's a headache to maintain and debug. I think there is only a very small use-case where you will actually need some *.wsp developed. I use Nintex Workflow + Forms the rest of the time.

That being said, SharePoint devs gets paid well :)

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#154

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Yeah man. I've never heard of those. They sound like the best thing since sliced bread. Only if they could access the DOM... Seriously... what are you even talking about? Why do you even mention them? You read single threaded and thought "Quick, I must come up with an answer! I can't let a stranger on the Internet change my opinion!"?

So, it's hard to understand exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish and why Web Workers wouldn't work for you because basically every single desktop GUI framework is single-threaded when it comes to actually updating the components on the screen. Win32 uses the GetMessage/TranslateMessage/DispatchMessage event loop. Swing has the UI thread, and then to update the UI from a background thread, you need to call i…

This is getting tiresome. You cannot access key objects with webworkers. It's a lipstick on a pig. If you want to kiss it, be my guess, but please do not try misguide other people to do so.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#155
post #53

Finding it a little suprising that C# is still decreasing in popularity, despite Microsofts recent efforts: 2013 - 44.7% 2014 - 37.6% 2015 - 31.6% 2016 - 30.9%

Perhaps Microsoft's reasons for their "recent efforts" are becoming more obvious to you...

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#156

If 10% of developers on SO are students, and 2.5% graduate every year, does that mean every 10 years the population of developers increases by 25%? Do 25% of developers retire every 10 years?

Well actually close. If you have 40 years of productive work in you (20 years to 60 then retirement), then yes every 10 years 25% of the workforce does retire.

But I would guess that those 10% of students are heavily skewed to students in their final year of study. Second point is that not all undergraduate courses are 4 years, some are 3 years, so probably closer to 7.5% of students on SO graduate every year.

Which might indicate that the software development field is growing in terms of people active in the field.

*Then again software development is a young persons game, so "retirement" out of the industry might be higher since a lot of people will retire to other fields / management positions.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#157

Fun fact. In Argentina the previous government used to give subsidies to McDonald's to keep the BigMac cheap, so these numbers around the world comparing salary to the BigMac index would look better.

As a South African this hurts. We were ranked number 1 for purchasing power, and I've heard similar statistics from other sources. But the economy is shitting on us hard, and we are all struggling.

The one thing that isn't taken into account is things like tax wastage. I'd say easily 70 to 80% of our tax money is wasted by our inept government. So we have to fork out so much cash for basic things that other countries take for granted. It sort of feels like I pay tax twice. Once to the government which might as well be the money equivalent of /dev/null and another for private services which the municipality/government should be supplying, but what is offered is just too shitty to use.

So we may have the best purchasing power, but we have the least amount of money, so it doesn't help much.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#158
> Worldwide, developers with Masters degrees have the highest average salary. Developers with industry certifications and PhDs are also paid more than most other developers. Stay in school, kids

But in the graph masters was second to "mentorship program"

Can someone give an example of one of these programs? Is this just another name for an internship?

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#159

From the looks of it Ruby has really lost it shine. It doesn't appear at all in the "most popular technologies, not even in back-end, and it lost 6% in "trending tech". It also doesn't appear in any other metrics. Is it really a trend or that SO's community is not representative of Ruby practitioners ?

My personal impression was that Rails has matured and there aren't as many open problems at this point-- there are agreed upon patterns and gems for most things you want to do in creating a web app-- or at least a relevant SO answer that is the first thing that comes up when you google a problem or error message.

I know that isn't exactly what this question was measuring but I'd expect engagement for Ruby in general to fall on SO. Compare that to the current wild wild west of JS frameworks where everyone seems to be doing their own thing.

Re: 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

#160

Fun fact. In Argentina the previous government used to give subsidies to McDonald's to keep the BigMac cheap, so these numbers around the world comparing salary to the BigMac index would look better.

As a South African this hurts. We were ranked number 1 for purchasing power, and I've heard similar statistics from other sources. But the economy is shitting on us hard, and we are all struggling. The one thing that isn't taken into account is things like tax wastage. I'd say easily 70 to 80% of our tax money is wasted by our inept government. So we have to fork out so much cash for basic things that other countries…

> So we have to fork out so much cash for basic things that other countries take for granted

Yeah, can you believe how much more expensive domestic help has become? /s

I think the SA government's biggest sin is failing to grow the middle class. The inequality is a ticking time bomb

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