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iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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That's exactly because it's a strong, widely shared cognitive bias (wired or not) that it's so important to counter it culturally. Countering natural behavior with culture is what humans do, for better or worse.

And how is that going for you so far?

Not sure what you are asking exactly (is that rethorical? Or do you expect a real answer?).

If you really care :-) :

I had the chance to be raised and still live in a very mixed part of Paris. There is racism, of course, and for example I can remember how kids of Portuguese descent were the object of mockery back when I was young. (That's significant because today it's put under the carpet as if it never occurred. It seems nobody even remember!).

That makes you think about bias, how bias turn into systematic racism, etc. That makes you discover how people of course cluster around commonalities but also like to share and connect with others when given a safe context.

Racism is quite pervasive in France, and for example younger generations make it a central part of their dialogue and jokes. But many people are working toward inclusiveness too.

Just like women equality and wealth sharing, non-discrimination is not solved thing in any given society: it's a constant challenge to tackle, probably without an end in sight.

It's probably the same for individuals: how can I be more inclusive? Less biased toward others?

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Because wearing glasses makes me feel insecure. Yes, a person with disabilities can be ridiculed and feel like crap. A fat one can too. Also one with glasses, long hair, or long nose (or very short, let's include them too, it's the PC thing to do). Where do you draw the "disadvantage" line? As much as you are being offended when people are using a series of letters that forms certain words, so do I when people act li…

> ridiculed and feel like crap It's not about ridicule. It's not about offence. Why do people always make this same point about offence? "My freedom of speech allows me to say what I like; FUCK YOU if you want to use your freedom of speech to tell me how much harm my words cause" People with LD have been subjected to genocidal actions; they've been forcibly sterilised (without their (or their family's) knowledge or p…

> "My freedom of speech allows me to say what I like; FUCK YOU if you want to use your freedom of speech to tell me how much harm my words cause"

But they can say FUCK YOU to people who say things they don't like because that's freedom of speech too. Then those people can say FUCK YOU back and have a whole steaming flame war. It's all speech. It may not be productive, and you may not want to participate in it, but there is no law preventing anybody from doing it.

It's only when somebody passes a law against it that it becomes an affront to free speech.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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>retarded Don't say this.

To counter the explosion of "fuck you" kind of comments, and as the father of a child with a developmental disability, thank you for pointing out this impolite and linguistically lazy behavior.

People who use "retarded", "gay", "autistic", "ghetto" (and so on) in a derogatory form are showing a lack of imagination, aren't introspective enough to consider how their choice of words makes others perceive them, and trivialize an entire group of people by subordinating them in their effort to demean someone else.

And that's the problem. It's condescending (and meant to be, don't tell me it's not) to call someone or something "retarded" when one is actually expressing an opinion that the person or thing is not worthy of merit, and history is rife with abuses that result from trivializing a group of people by distilling that group to a pejorative. "Fuck those short sighted motherfuckers," may shock because of the direct use of the glorious and multitalented root word "fuck", but it certainly isn't trivializing a group of people with a minor vision impairment, because short sighted is not the term used to refer to someone who is near sighted. It's borderline lazy, sure. It may offend someone's sensibilities, yeah. But choosing a word that one knows damn well trivializes a group of disadvantaged human beings ... that's profoundly different from dropping the occasional F-bomb.

It's not about political correctness, it's about recognizing that one's choice of words can carry a great deal of meaning that diminishes the intended effect of those words. In some cases, by literally dehumanizing a group of people.

It's not "colorful language", it's lazy and careless prose.

And to any current reader of this comment who thinks such pejorative language is okay in civilized company: either this post changes your mind, dear reader, or it doesn't. Using what you think to be clever analogies, closed-minded logical fallacies, or meritless affirmative defenses ("but, freedom of speech!") is encouraged, if it makes you feel better about yourself to put me in my place for feeling the way I do about this kind of language. Your right to free speech is no different from mine, I won't stop you. But I also won't waste the expression of my free speech rights by trying to argue with someone who doesn't acknowledge that maybe ... maybe ... they're wrong, so please feel free to satisfy that desire to get in the last word.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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This is just the beginning. High prices and resale values have spawned a substantial and apparently growing 3rd party repair and refurbishment market for Apple mobile devices. Beyond the dodgy corner unlock shops, multiple national chains have sprung up over the last 2 years where I live that advertise heavily on broadcast TV. Apple clearly sees this as money left on the table and they're concerned about the emergenc…

Broken 5s screen - took it to a local repair shop in town. He indicated that they just replace the whole screen unit - takes about 8-10 minutes. He shared some numbers too.

The conversation was from last... sep I think, and he was referring to a change a few months back. They had been able to buy the whole screen units for around $25-$30/piece, and his shop (owned a few) bought a lot of them - always kept a lot in stock. Earlier in 2015, he said, Apple started putting the screws on their parts suppliers, requiring them to destroy any overages or extras that didn't pass QA. This overage supply was where he and others would get their replacement parts.

He said that almost overnight, the prices on those screens went to $40 or more. They had a several month supply, but were already having to replenish at the higher price point.

So... Apple knowing about "third party repair" stuff, isn't all that new, but they seem to be taking more steps to actively prevent competition here. :/

re: "renting" - they'll probably still sell them, but all but force an icloud-style service for storage (probably still be selling 16g models when they provide 16mp cameras, and use up 6g for the OS). That or perhaps they'll just buy a carrier and you can be paying them $100/month for voice/data service directly, on top of $700 for a device.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly because it's a strong, widely shared cognitive bias (wired or not) that it's so important to counter it culturally. Countering natural behavior with culture is what humans do, for better or worse.

And how is that going for you so far?

Given that he is engaging you intellectually and not engaging you with the lizard half of his brain (with it's large stick), I'd say quite successfully.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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The issue is Apple cannot verify a secure touch ID replacement over a compromised touch ID replacement. Without knowing if your replacement is secure the change potentially compromises the security of the whole device. IMO bricking on touch ID issues is extreme, but maximises the security of the device.

> The issue is Apple cannot verify a secure touch ID replacement over a compromised touch ID replacement. Without knowing if your replacement is secure the change potentially compromises the security of the whole device. The correct solution there would be to pop up a warning saying the TouchID hardware has been tampered with, and giving the user an option to validate it.

That wouldn't really be a good idea. Someone could steal your phone and replace the TouchID hardware. Then this popup comes up and they say, oh yeah this hardware is totally legit! Then they get your data, impersonate you, charge stuff etc.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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It's totally dumb that a functioning phone is bricked by an update because of repairs done in the past. Imagine the same thing happening to your car. "Sorry sir, the software update done to your car has now disabled the vehicle because in the past someone not related to x (insert name of car company here) has repaired it, your car is now junk (you can't even resell it) and you'll have to buy a new one". It's just pet…

How is this the top comment?

We can see that it is clearly nothing to do with 'revenge' or 'retaliation'. The evidence clearly contradicts that.

Apple makes strong promises around security and Touch ID in particular. This is clearly designed to maintain the integrity of that system.

It's certainly a terrible failure mode - the error message should explain what the problem is.

But imputing these bizarre motives just reveals bias on the part of the commenters.

The alternative would be at some point a headline like "compromised Touch ID sends fingerprints to bad actor".

[this was obviously going to be downvoted, but for the record nobody has either made an argument for, or provided evidence for the 'revenge' motivation, while the 'poorly implemented security policy' explanation is clearly supported by the evidence.]

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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>retarded Don't say this.

To counter the explosion of "fuck you" kind of comments, and as the father of a child with a developmental disability, thank you for pointing out this impolite and linguistically lazy behavior. People who use "retarded", "gay", "autistic", "ghetto" (and so on) in a derogatory form are showing a lack of imagination, aren't introspective enough to consider how their choice of words makes others perceive them, and trivi…

Thank you for taking the time to share.

I personally am aware of zero instances where anyone associated with a developmental disability is comfortable with the use of the word 'retarded', in any context. (Please note: this is not to say such a thing does not exist!) Empathy is a worthy reason for voluntarily restricting my personal speech, and I appreciate others willing to take people like you into consideration here on this forum!

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Call it what it actually is: short sighted, greedy, foolish, etc. Don't use a word that puts down people with disabilities.

> Call it what it actually is: short sighted, greedy, foolish, etc. Don't use a word that puts down people with disabilities. No. Language is a liging thing and the meaning of a word can change overtime. "Greedy" is not the word that applies in this case. Nor is "short sighted". This is a retarted and dangerous behavior, and you should not be afraid to call it for what it is. See above example with the car and try to…

What makes you think it's driven by greed?There is absolutely zero evidence for this assumption, and the alternative explanation - that it is a poorly implemented attempt to keep their promises about the security of Touch ID makes perfect sense.
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