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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by Matthias247 »

robwormald wrote: post #71
sjclemmy wrote: post #67

I've just started working on an app using Angular 2 and Ionic 2.: 1. TypeScript - It's really nice to be able to use a typed version of JS, although it does feel like I'm writing C# sometimes! It supports lambda syntax / ES6 which is great. 2. Annotations seem a bit clunky, not really sure what the point of them is. 3. Absolutely love the functional reactive / RxJS stuff they've incorporated - it's going to make it V…

The RxJS support is definitely my favorite thing in Angular2. We have plans for all sorts of cool stuff built on top of Observables. Stay tuned.

Started to work on a frontend for realtime automotive networking systems in angular2. I used angular2 services which provide all (non-constant) state via Observables to the components - and I'm really pleased with the result. Totally reactive, and the implementation effort and complexity is relativly low.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by bitmapbrother »

revelation wrote: post #29
dubcanada wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They own Blogspot, and you could always agree to the "massive cookie consent form" and it would go away.

At which point it's still a shit, unusable site. This isn't making me excited for your magic JS library.

Shit and unreliable? Sounds like a description of Europe and their politicians.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by Veratyr »

yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

Google's Polymer [0] is probably closer to React than Angular. Angular's more of an application framework. Polymer's more of a Web Components[1] framework, which I think is closer to what React is doing.

[0]: https://www.polymer-project.org/1.0/ [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by joshfraser »

debaserab2 wrote: post #150
DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

I just checked Datanyze which crawls the Alexa 1m and more to see which services & libraries websites are using. They've detected 234,003 sites using Angular and 2,069 using React.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by ohsnap »

Veratyr wrote: post #153
yonibot wrote: post #112

When people point out that Google is behind Angular, they fail to mention that the level of investment is nowhere near that of Facebook in React. I've been loving using React. Building in components is fantastic, and it just feels like writing Javascript. That's a win in my books.

Google's Polymer [0] is probably closer to React than Angular. Angular's more of an application framework. Polymer's more of a Web Components[1] framework, which I think is closer to what React is doing. [0]: https://www.polymer-project.org/1.0/ [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components

Long term I can see web components/polymer shims being preferred over React, but not till the major browsers catch up. Like the parent says, Facebook is deeply invested in making React work and it really shows. Angular/Polymer always seems more r&d/experimental to me, which is great but not for people who want to do production work.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by VeilEm »

joshfraser wrote: post #154
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

I just checked Datanyze which crawls the Alexa 1m and more to see which services & libraries websites are using. They've detected 234,003 sites using Angular and 2,069 using React.

I think Angular is more accessible than React. I don't think React will be adopted as much by non-engineers. React is usually used alongside significant tooling like babel and webpack/browserify and some flux library. It's probably more complex. You can't just drop some js script file in your HTML document and go with that.

I say that as someone who thinks React is the future of JavaScript development and there's no chance I will ever go back to separate templates so Angular of whatever version is just automatically disqualified. It would be like going back in time and I do not want to do this.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by dyeje »

debaserab2 wrote: post #150
DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

Yeah, the google trends don't seem to support that either:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=reactjs%2C%20angular...

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by rw2 »

rw2 wrote: post #46

Uh did Angular not get the memo that people hate the new syntax and typescript? This is how you turn the most popular javascript MVC framework to nothing.

Wow, from +8 to -2, a lot of downvoting on this comment.

All I know is when the first angular 2.0 beta came out, it was not well received by anyone including myself because of the vast difference in syntax (simple -> complex) which is the only reason I and a lot of others picked Angular in the first place. It seems it has been tweeked a lot since then, but those problems have not been fixed. I don't think next version of angular is usable for me.

Typescript's audience is far less than Angular's audience, there should be no reason to use typescript as the official example. This kind of bundling is similar to Microsoft explorer coming with Windows.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by danpeddle »

Server side rendering is mentioned in the post - for me, angular 1.x was a dead end because it did not run on the server (disregarding the confusion around services, factories etc, and all the horror in templating logic, debugging it etc) - can anyone give some insights into what this is like?

I've previously written & been part of teams for a few non-trivial 'full stack' js apps that run both on the client and server, and react's abstraction from the DOM is perfect for such things. Wondering what the 2.x approach is here.

As an aside, seems to me that the days of running JS purely in the client are coming to an end, for projects when developers can have a free hand on the tech stack.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by DigitalSea »

debaserab2 wrote: post #150
DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

I am not talking about market share, I am more referring to sentiment in the community towards React. Just based on my observations, front-end developers love React and many more seemingly warming up to it. Considering React is still a new library, give it some time, but it does not take a trend to see that it is gaining popularity while Angular 1.x has peaked in my opinion and 2.0 will take a lot of convincing to get people to use it.

I personally use React and Node.js for a lot of the stuff I work on these days (both professionally and freelance projects). I know a lot of developers who use React, so while a Google search (not exactly scientific either in my opinion) yields low use of React, just based on the circle that I frequent, there are a lot of people using React and in 2016 we will see more people using it. The last two freelance projects I worked on (for pretty large companies) were built using React, word is travelling fast.

A lot of people are using Angular 1.x, but I know for a fact that not all of them will migrate over to 2.0 when the time comes. The learning curve might be smaller, but Angular 2 still falls into the trap of being over engineered in certain parts (like template syntax).

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