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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by tonyarkles » Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 7:33 PM UTC

qume wrote: post #113

emgoldstein wrote: post #39

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I think a very small amount of stylometric analysis would cast a lot of doubt on this theory. Satoshi's grammar is always perfect. His sentences are tight. He's clear and to the point. Wright rambles; his grammar is terrible; he seems to have no idea what a comma is for. Scanning his blog for a minute, he comes across as the kind of slightly dotty kook who would try to convince people he's Satoshi with this kind of "…

I think there are a lot of engineers on here who only express a single language style. In the business world I see writing style changing depending on who one is talking to - a trait I don't generally see in engineers. Who knows the mind of the originator of bitcoin. Also, Wright can have a few drinks and click to send a sloppy message without much thought. However any time he purportedly posts as Satoshi he probably…

I've definitely worked with people who are excellent writers and communicators, but send texts like "u busy?" and "when u comin by"

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by gregmac » Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 8:38 PM UTC

Motherboard seems to think this is a hoax[1].

In sum:

* Only one key, the Original Key, is actually known to be associated with Satoshi.

* The Wired and Gizmodo Keys that supposedly lead back to Satoshi weren’t previously known to be linked to Satoshi, and their 2008 creation date could have been faked.

* Both keys use a longer and less-common key size than the Original Key.

* Both keys use a list of cipher-suites that don’t match up to the Original Key, and weren’t added to GPG until 2009.

* The Wired key was retroactively added to a 2008 blogpost sometime between 2012 and 2014, as noted in its story.

* A core Bitcoin developer who’s been involved from nearly the beginning looked back at 2011 chatlogs referring to “fake” Satoshi keys on keyservers, and found no reference to either the Gizmodo or Wired keys. He thinks that those keys weren’t yet uploaded to the keyserver in 2011.

[1] http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-proba...

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by joshstrange » Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 8:48 PM UTC

nickpsecurity wrote: post #83

adrusi wrote: post #54

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That's assuming they still have it. Perhaps the reason none of the bitcoin created in the genesis block has ever moved is because Satoshi thought there would be some value in having it be static and never expected bitcoin to have actual value. They may have deleted that key.

It's going to be really funny if we find out he, too, tossed a HD full of Bitcoins in the trash thinking it was nothing. ;)

Yeah, I did this... I mined 100BTC Solo on my CPU right around the time it first came out. Then it wasn't even worth $1. Multiple formats/rebuilds later it's worth over $1K/btc (yes that was an artificially inflated price, I know). sigh I could be student-debt free but it wasn't worth it for me to hold on to at the time...

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by nickpsecurity » Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #153

nickpsecurity wrote: post #83

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It's going to be really funny if we find out he, too, tossed a HD full of Bitcoins in the trash thinking it was nothing. ;)

Yeah, I did this... I mined 100BTC Solo on my CPU right around the time it first came out. Then it wasn't even worth $1. Multiple formats/rebuilds later it's worth over $1K/btc (yes that was an artificially inflated price, I know). sigh I could be student-debt free but it wasn't worth it for me to hold on to at the time...

Man, that sucks. Sorry to hear it.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by galtwho » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 5:28 AM UTC

nikcub wrote: post #84

emgoldstein wrote: post #39

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I think a very small amount of stylometric analysis would cast a lot of doubt on this theory. Satoshi's grammar is always perfect. His sentences are tight. He's clear and to the point. Wright rambles; his grammar is terrible; he seems to have no idea what a comma is for. Scanning his blog for a minute, he comes across as the kind of slightly dotty kook who would try to convince people he's Satoshi with this kind of "…

Satoshi is two people - Wright and Kleiman. Kleiman was responsible for the public Satoshi writing, and he doesn't have any of his own writing samples online that aren't co-authored to make a stylometric comparison against.

Or Wright has Multiple Personality Disorder[1]. One is sloppy and the other is thorough.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10625626

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by campers » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 9:43 AM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #123

pen2l wrote: post #30

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It's actually really really unsafe for him. The moment people find out that he's a billionaire (Satoshi's BTC are worth a 9-digit figure), he might be a victim of an attack.

Just to be a bit pedantic, he's estimated to have ~1.1M coins, which at current market prices would be worth $440M (9 figure wealth isn't a billion, but 'only' in the hundreds of milloins). Obviously he'd destroy the book on any exchange if he tried to cash out so it's probably worth much less than that.

I wonder how much you could cash out a month without really affecting the price. With that amount you could cash out half a million dollars a month for a very long time, assuming the exchange rate doesn't change much, and live like a king and/or fund the next project

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by joshstrange » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 4:49 PM UTC

nickpsecurity wrote: post #154

joshstrange wrote: post #153

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Yeah, I did this... I mined 100BTC Solo on my CPU right around the time it first came out. Then it wasn't even worth $1. Multiple formats/rebuilds later it's worth over $1K/btc (yes that was an artificially inflated price, I know). sigh I could be student-debt free but it wasn't worth it for me to hold on to at the time...

Man, that sucks. Sorry to hear it.

I always just tell myself I would have probably got excited and sold at $2/BTC or when it hovered around $8. Such is life, no use wondering what might have been.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by snowwrestler » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 5:23 PM UTC

nickpsecurity wrote: post #109

snowwrestler wrote: post #104

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Let's say someone stole Satoshi's stash. To convert it to non-Bitcoin value, they would have to spend it or transfer it. Wouldn't people notice that the famous Satoshi block is suddenly in play? And the point at which it is converted to real value is the point at which a criminal investigation would begin. I don't understand why Satoshi's stash of bitcoins is any easier to spend untraceably than any other store of va…

Not easier to spend than stock, bonds, derivatives, and so on that most wealth is stored in? Last I heard, there was more liquidity and less auditing for Bitcoin spending in general. An expert on Bitcoin might know that particular block moving would be a high risk operation. Thugs reading about his identity, worth, and use of Bitcoin in criminal dealings might think differently. They might decide to go get his money.…

There is more auditing for bitcoin than almost any other store of value, because every transaction is broadcast to the entire network. Crowd-sourced auditing is essentially all bitcoin is.

Like bitcoin itself, the anonymity of bitcoin is also a chain. Bitcoins can be mined anonymously, and therefore transacted anonymously. But any point where they are converted to other stores of value will create connections to real-world identity. For example, cash has to be picked up in a physical place, or it has to be transfered into a bank account, which creates an auditable transaction record. Purchased objects have to be delivered somewhere. Purchased services are interacted with in some way. Etc.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by nickpsecurity » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 7:09 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #157

nickpsecurity wrote: post #154

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Man, that sucks. Sorry to hear it.

I always just tell myself I would have probably got excited and sold at $2/BTC or when it hovered around $8. Such is life, no use wondering what might have been.

I hear you and you might have so it's at least semi-true. My own loss was a triple HD failure that cost almost a TB of software, research papers, photos, everything. I have none of my prior work as an INFOSEC pro. Three in a month when I was too broke from recession to replace them. So I feel the pain. ;)

One time I told that story to a Marine who instantly went PTSD. First time I met someone with similarly messed up HD loss. He had his slim, external laying on a table in maybe Iraq. Another Marine, round in the chamber, casually dropped his M16 on the table as he came in. It fired a burst right into the HD, leaving it unrecoverable. I said, "Damn. I'm at a loss for words." So, you ain't the only one haha.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Post by nickpsecurity » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 8:11 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #158

nickpsecurity wrote: post #109

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Not easier to spend than stock, bonds, derivatives, and so on that most wealth is stored in? Last I heard, there was more liquidity and less auditing for Bitcoin spending in general. An expert on Bitcoin might know that particular block moving would be a high risk operation. Thugs reading about his identity, worth, and use of Bitcoin in criminal dealings might think differently. They might decide to go get his money.…

There is more auditing for bitcoin than almost any other store of value, because every transaction is broadcast to the entire network. Crowd-sourced auditing is essentially all bitcoin is. Like bitcoin itself, the anonymity of bitcoin is also a chain. Bitcoins can be mined anonymously, and therefore transacted anonymously. But any point where they are converted to other stores of value will create connections to real…

I thought crooks successfully transact services with Bitcoin like they do cash, western union, and traded CC's. Must not be as hard to obfuscate as you make it seem regardless of the ledger. Someone else mentioned mix networks to hide whose doing what as well but I'm not up-to-date on them.

Overall point of the discussion is that people finding out he has a physical/digital object worth millions might try to rob him. Some of them also use Bitcoin as payment for crime. So, anonymity seems like a good choice.