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Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

mikek wrote: post #109

WhatsApp is not linkifying Telegram URLs, but Telegram is not even sending messages that are shared from WhatsApp. Telegram is open source, so you can see for yourself here. https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/blob/74def22213846b1f90a26... On line 666: if (sendingText.contains("WhatsApp")) { //who needs this sent from ...? sendingText = null; }

> WhatsApp is not linkifying Telegram URLs, but Telegram is not even sending messages that are shared from WhatsApp.

How do you even share a message from whatsapp to telegram?

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #135
3x14159265 wrote: post #114

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hmm... weird. I'm running the latest version of telegram on my android phone, no problems at all to send messages containing "whatsapp". i will look out for that in upcoming updates of telegram android.

Could you report what happens when you send exactly "WhatsApp"?

It sends "WhatsApp".

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

plusquamperfekt wrote: post #66
3333z777 wrote: post #63

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A reason not to use Telegram: https://oflisback.github.io/telegram-stalking/

Given the credibility attributed to Signal - f.x. by Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden - I don't understand why it's not more popular than Telegram.

Because people want usability more than they care about things being private.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by fluxquanta »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #147
fluxquanta wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't think I know anyone who ever used MSN Messenger I did because it had the best quality video chat at the time, before Skype became a thing, but that was probably 15 years ago. My current company used to use it for in-office communication as recently as five years ago when I was first hired. It was an abysmal mess of sending out group chats as individual windows every time someone had a question. For a softwar…

But MSN had group conversations (as far as I remember), why not simply use those?

Our office was about 20 people at the time. Any time anyone had a question, but didn't know who to direct it to, a new group conversation was initiated with everyone in the office. That was the problem.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by codeshaman »

abc_lisper wrote: post #148
mikek wrote: post #109

WhatsApp is not linkifying Telegram URLs, but Telegram is not even sending messages that are shared from WhatsApp. Telegram is open source, so you can see for yourself here. https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/blob/74def22213846b1f90a26... On line 666: if (sendingText.contains("WhatsApp")) { //who needs this sent from ...? sendingText = null; }

Damn, those functions are longgggg. While the code seems to be organized well, it is a hell to keep track of variables, and all the flow changes.

Spaghetti. More suitable for my plate than an app. I know that Java is a terribly verbose language, but even for Java this looks over the top.

This code is written with a bulldozer ! How hard is it to refactor each of those branches into separate functions or objects ?

If there's no time for that, I wonder, is there enough time to figure out the security and privacy implications of this entire codebase ? Should I trust this code with my life ? Because some people will ...

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by seagreen »

plusquamperfekt wrote: post #105
seagreen wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great comment, because it leads in right to the heart of the problem. Why is running a server so hard? This is actually really weird -- the cloud should mean that you can set up a server with a single click. Of course, a Linux VPS needs a fair amount of love (fiddling with settings, updating, and so on). But there are other ways: https://sandstorm.io/

Interesting perspective! It's true that it should be very easy and cheap - something like setting up an E-mail account or installing an app.

Thanks:) I really feel like this is the core issue here. People complain a lot about Facebook, but what would happen if by some heroic, Odyssey-worthy effort they actually get people to switch to some other social network?

. . .

The exact same thing. The exact same thing would happen, because the new social network would have _exactly the same incentives_ as facebook.

I have some more thoughts on this here: http://housejeffries.com/page/3 Not sure how clear my writing is, but the "Inspiration" section at the end has some links to great projects trying to fix this problem.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by mintplant »

plusquamperfekt wrote: post #66
3333z777 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reason not to use Telegram: https://oflisback.github.io/telegram-stalking/

Given the credibility attributed to Signal - f.x. by Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden - I don't understand why it's not more popular than Telegram.

No desktop client. There's a Chrome App being worked on, but that's not an ideal setup. I really don't know why they aren't focuing on this, as it's absolutely the #1 issue whenever I talk to someone about Signal. Even the Chrome App packaged in a standalone Electron-like setup would be better.

edit: Apparently alpha versions of NW.js now support running Chrome Apps. This could be interesting. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/nwjs-general/YuwMHd_uv...

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by prostoalex »

seagreen wrote: post #100
plusquamperfekt wrote: post #62

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We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.

This is a great comment, because it leads in right to the heart of the problem. Why is running a server so hard? This is actually really weird -- the cloud should mean that you can set up a server with a single click. Of course, a Linux VPS needs a fair amount of love (fiddling with settings, updating, and so on). But there are other ways: https://sandstorm.io/

The heart of the problem is not publishing, it's discovery and curation. Grandma is not going to visit 20 dedicated servers for her grandkids picture fix, she needs it accessible in one place. But then how do you safeguard that place from the likes of games notifications and various spammy/fraudulent apps taking over?

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by chetanahuja »

izacus wrote: post #144
roymurdock wrote: post #88

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From my experience, AIM lost because it was the cool thing to do in high school before everyone had cell phones. Once texting/BBM was a thing, AIM became completely obsolete. I don't think I know anyone who ever used MSN Messenger.

MSN Messenger was one of those "regional" services simillar to WhatsApp - it was very popular in Europe, pretty much everyone used it around here, while as far as I heard it was very rare in US.

"regional" services simillar to WhatsApp

The app with a billion plus installs, quite likely the largest actively used chat app in the world is a "regional" service. Just to take a wild guess, you're not an iOS user from the bay area by any chance? I haven't come across too many Android users who are not using WhatsApp in the US.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by Camillo »

izacus wrote: post #55
gkfasdfasdf wrote: post #35

According to the Telegram FAQ [1] the Telegram Facebook page [2] has been taken down as well. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#facebook [2] https://www.facebook.com/tlgrm

This is IMO one of the greatest dangers of leaving those huge corporations like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. unchecked - they're starting to attack competition by leveraging their primary products (Amazon blocking Chromecasts, Facebook censoring links and pages about their lawsuits are two latest cases) and are working deliberately against interests of greater public (and capitalism itself if we can stretch that :)…

You list three companies but only give examples for two.
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