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Destabilizing countries with mass murder turns citizens into terrorist sympathizers.
I think terrorism is a far greater contributor to destabilizing countries than anti-terrorism attacks.
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#152And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…
> If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. @deanCommie Please, stop with the excuses , nobody marginalized anybody. The terrorists are not victims , the islamists are not…
What does "backer" mean?
Edit: Ahh, you changed it to baker. My mind was wandering all over but there.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my years and travels, I've settled on the fact that the only solution to those "assholes" that destroy community fabric is overwhelming force. You cannot reason with someone who has nothing to lose.
Which suggests an alternative (partial) solution: make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society.
> make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society
What do you mean by this? It sounds a bit ominous, if you'll pardon me.
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#154How this is related to tech.. Is HN best place to talk about it?
Yes, HN has become one of the best places to talk about things like this. Reddit discussions become overrun with useless comments. Stupid memes, puns, and just other irrelevant drivel. Many of the mainstream news outlets have lagging facts, horrible commenting (if any) and biased/washed/slanted reporting. HN thoroughly discourages both worthless commenting and links to worthless news sources. For me personally, I muc…
Not to say that this thread doesn't provide value but the Reddit thread is full of useful comments including information from people who are in paris. No memes or useless comments that I can see.
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#155And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…
What are you responding to? Did someone on HN write that about Muslims?
Yes. For instance:
Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
If there were no Muslims, there would be almost no terror attacks. Conversely, if there were more Muslims, there would be more terror attacks.
Or could it be that they are just completely desperate brainwashed youth rejected by society? Makes more sense.
So they are just Muslim by coincidence?
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#157Next thing you know, a new and even more totally total mass surveillance law is passed. (Obviously, attacks will continue to happen from time to time.)
Didn't the French parliament pass a bill recently granting the intelligence and security apparatus greater powers to persecute and watch over people without warrants? Apparently this method is not working at all.
Surveillance is like XML; if it doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough of it.
Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions
#158And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…
How many citizens show we permit to be slaughtered in the name of unwavering tolerance? EDIT: There is preventing integration as a host nation's people, and refusing to integrate as an immigrant. One can only do so much to make a person feel welcome in a country as their new home. You may bring your beliefs, but you'll follow the laws and human rights expectations of your host country. Otherwise, stay at home, war to…
Are you referring to the western powers which have killed millions of Muslims this last decade?
Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions
#159And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…
Uh huh. Must be why America is constantly terrorized by mass killings committed by Hispanic immigrants or poverty stricken blacks. I'm sorry but you can't just say "this is the inevitable outcome of marginalization". There are plenty of marginalized groups that choose not to commit mass murder in the name of justice.
Those groups do not have well funded organizations attempting to recruit their easily influenced youths into their ranks to do deeds against their fellow men.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is already changing. Give it a few weeks. Sweden and Hungary have already put border controls back in place, France will likely do as well as a result of this attack at least for the foreseeable future. After that - and coupled with the immense increase of cross-border crime in the last decade - it will be a fairly easy step to rescind Schengen, if not in name then at least in spirit or on a 'temporary' basis. It'…
Border controls are one thing. Freedom of movements is another. Being forced to flash id card at the border is not the same as the border officer being able to refuse entry to a legal EU citizen.
I'm not cool with flashing ID. Could you imagine being in the US and having to go through checkpoints every time you crossed a state border?