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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by glhaynes »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #149
glhaynes wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jailbreaks for recent versions of iOS only allow jailbreaking unlocked devices, at which point security is already compromised. What? You must mean something else because unlocked devices aren't (necessarily) compromised.

> What? You must mean something else because unlocked devices aren't (necessarily) compromised. I mean compromised in the sense that the malicious party now (for example) has access to the user's email, and would be able to reset a whole host of passwords for online services (assuming they don't use 2FA or something similar, which most users don't). If they wanted to install a keylogger, or get saved passwords, then…

I think we must be using "unlocked" in different ways. I'm intending it in what I think is the conventional way for this context: when the device's cellular subsystem is not electronically locked to a particular cellular service provider.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by kbenson »

muddi900 wrote: post #122
kbenson wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's a good thing we have Apple's track-record to show us it's impossible to break out of these walled gardens, otherwise we'd really be in trouble if someone got physical access to our phones. https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Jailbreak

While I hate the economic stifling of tech innovation that is the App Store culture, I would like to point out that Jailbroken iphone were used by the Chinese government to target protesters in Hong Kong quite recently.

My point is that stating that side-loading is a back-door that can be abused when your phone is in someone else's possession ends up not being a very good argument when that actually ends up being the harder way to accomplish getting software onto the phone, considering side-loading is both password protected (if your phone is) and still doesn't expose functionality beyond what the OS allows (unlike jail-breaking).

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by mozumder »

aianus wrote: post #143
mozumder wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK then codify that into a law. But, right now, the NSA does what is legal, which is to spy on foreign nationals.

Legal is meaningless. What they're doing is wrong.

Or right. Take your pick - all morals are relative.

We decide what matters when its time to write the laws.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by johncolanduoni »

glhaynes wrote: post #151
johncolanduoni wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What? You must mean something else because unlocked devices aren't (necessarily) compromised. I mean compromised in the sense that the malicious party now (for example) has access to the user's email, and would be able to reset a whole host of passwords for online services (assuming they don't use 2FA or something similar, which most users don't). If they wanted to install a keylogger, or get saved passwords, then…

I think we must be using "unlocked" in different ways. I'm intending it in what I think is the conventional way for this context: when the device's cellular subsystem is not electronically locked to a particular cellular service provider.

You're absolutely right, I should've picked a different word. I mean unlocked in the lock-screen/password sense. Of course, messing with carrier settings is not easily done even if the phone is not carrier-locked, and pulling of an exploit that way is even more difficult.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by ocean3 »

api wrote: post #70
kbenson wrote: post #60

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What would we do if we didn't have apple to protect us from our own ignorance? Apple is fallible. If developers can break out of app review constraints by using carefully included bugs[1] then the only solution is actively monitoring what the apps are doing. If that's the case, what value-add is Apple's walled garden? Just keeping out crappy programs? I think there are plenty of solutions for discovering what program…

I think you and the downmodders are shooting the messenger. I do not like walled gardens any more than I like taxes or drunk driving checkpoints. I'm just explaining why they are there and why many users actually prefer them, and I'm doing so to let people know there's a problem worth solving. Pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't help. Computer security is just far too confusing and difficult for the non-tech…

"why many users actually prefer them" - Android is more open and from the numbers it seems users prefer it more then Apple.

But in actuality users don't have much option right more so in iOS.They would use the defaults.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

millstone wrote: post #123
sigmar wrote: post #9

Apple's comments on privacy over the past year have seemed very opportunistic. >But what they don't want to do, they don't want your email to be read, and then to pick up on keywords in your email and then to use that information to then market you things on a different application that you're using. ... They don't have the technology/infrastructure to perform machine learning techniques that google employs. So they…

> They don't have the technology/infrastructure to perform machine learning techniques that google employs. So they will say 'we think it's a feature that none of our services interoperate.' You mean the machine learning techniques Google developed to better market people things? This is like saying, Sweden doesn't have nuclear capability so it's opportunistic for them to claim they are peaceful. Only states that pou…

"the machine learning techniques Google developed to better market people things?"

That's a bit of a cheap swipe. Google's machine learning has been applied to things like spam filtering, image search, and speech recognition.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by oneJob »

larrywright wrote: post #16
staunch wrote: post #7

> If you buy something from the App Store, we do know what you bought from the App Store, obviously. We think customers are fine with that. Users should also be able to install apps on their iPhones without Apple knowing what they're doing. Personal computing devices shouldn't have artificial walled gardens. But I agree with him on everything else and think he's a hero for what he's doing.

I think that what Apple has done here is an acceptable tradeoff. The app store trades a small amount of privacy for a lot more security. Looking at Android's perpetual issues with this makes me think that Apple made the right choice.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -B.Franklin, baby

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by plaguuuuuu »

sigmar wrote: post #9

Apple's comments on privacy over the past year have seemed very opportunistic. >But what they don't want to do, they don't want your email to be read, and then to pick up on keywords in your email and then to use that information to then market you things on a different application that you're using. ... They don't have the technology/infrastructure to perform machine learning techniques that google employs. So they…

>They don't have the technology/infrastructure to perform machine learning techniques that google employs.

Pretty sure Siri is machine learning...?

Even if it wasn't, they could just hire a bunch of PhD students, maybe acqui-hire a couple of tech companies with their ludicrous amounts of available capital and bam, they have their machine learning algorithm

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by plaguuuuuu »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #5

What's with apple and their super-privacy stance lately? First his letter, and now his interview. Not that I mind it, but I feel like they're expecting something bad to come out soon.

Google is an advertising company

With Windows 10, MS is now also an advertising company.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Post by ocean3 »

nindalf wrote: post #108
baliansa wrote: post #31

This is just a plain attack on Google. sigh

For so long we've heard "consumers don't care about privacy" and a lot of companies have seen success based on that idea. Now Apple is challenging that status quo, differentiating themselves from their competitors and offering consumers a choice on privacy. I can't see that as anything but good.

What choice? iOS a walled garden. Majority of users would not able to change anything.
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