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Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by blumkvist »

untog wrote: post #106
pikzen wrote: post #102

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>which is the only way they make money other than ads. Yeah. > So, you use the site resources Yeah. >don't see ads Yeah. > don't add to their user/page view numbers. Yeah. >Plus, there's the fact that lots of sites use GA to handle inter-page click tracking so they can see what paths users take to analyze UI/price sensitivity/promos/etc Yeah. Well you know what ? I wouldn't be doing this if ads provider didn't abuse…

It's my computer, I pick what I want to display and which code I want to execute. If you really wanted to take a principled stand you just wouldn't use those web sites. Ad blockers are just lazy activism.

More like hypocricy and self-entitlement.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by gpvos »

piyush_soni wrote: post #122
glesica wrote: post #105

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> By blocking GA, the site doesn't see you as a visitor. They can still use server analytics to see me as a visitor. I even show up on Cloudflare. I don't want them tracking what I do on their site, it should be enough to know I showed up and asked for a specific page. If their business model relies on knowing more, then they chose a lousy business model. Why is there so much sympathy for ad-supported sites on HN but…

Yes, ads remain the major e-business model till date (and will probably remain for a long time to come). I guess one of the problems is, everyone needs money to maintain a website and to make a profit, but not everyone has content (or products) that could sell. It's a difficult problem to solve in theory. I think simple text based (or even small images based) ads should be fine .. it's the flashy ones or the ones tha…

Micropayments should be a solution, but it's hard to get the cooperation needed for that going.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by abrowne »

HunOL wrote: post #59
abrowne wrote: post #51

Another option for Firefox is the built-in "tracking protection". It is off by default, but can be enabled via about:config (set privacy.trackingprotection.enabled to true). Works on Android, too.

And it breaks a lot of web sites.

I've haven't noticed any problems myself. I run mostly Firefox Beta on OS X, Linux, and Android and have been using it since late May.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by rockdoe »

HunOL wrote: post #59
abrowne wrote: post #51

Another option for Firefox is the built-in "tracking protection". It is off by default, but can be enabled via about:config (set privacy.trackingprotection.enabled to true). Works on Android, too.

And it breaks a lot of web sites.

Yes, the ones that track you. That's the point, isn't it.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by [deleted] »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #119
pikzen wrote: post #102

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>which is the only way they make money other than ads. Yeah. > So, you use the site resources Yeah. >don't see ads Yeah. > don't add to their user/page view numbers. Yeah. >Plus, there's the fact that lots of sites use GA to handle inter-page click tracking so they can see what paths users take to analyze UI/price sensitivity/promos/etc Yeah. Well you know what ? I wouldn't be doing this if ads provider didn't abuse…

I agree absolutely. That's why I use piwik on my sites. Unfortunately, uBlock blocks piwik all the same.

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Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

VieElm wrote: post #133
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #119

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I agree absolutely. That's why I use piwik on my sites. Unfortunately, uBlock blocks piwik all the same.

> uBlock blocks piwik all the same Good. I don't want to contribute to your analytics. I don't want ads. I just want to browse the web without being tracked. I don't care if that means you can't pay for your site, other sites will spring up that can without annoying users with ads and without tracking them.

The "other site" in the area I'm operating in is Google. So the situation is more like "other sites will continue to dominate by cross-subsidising from their core business, namely annoying users with ads and tracking them".

Is that really what you want?

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by jedberg »

sbierwagen wrote: post #135
JohnTHaller wrote: post #80

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Many sites rely on Google Analytics to be able to do their own promotions and sponsorships, which is the only way they make money other than ads. By blocking GA, the site doesn't see you as a visitor. So, you use the site resources, don't see ads and don't add to their user/page view numbers. Plus, there's the fact that lots of sites use GA to handle inter-page click tracking so they can see what paths users take to…

By blocking GA, the site doesn't see you as a visitor. Well too bad. Maybe they should take the radical step of actually looking at their server logs .

When you run a website, you have two choices: spend a bunch of time implementing log analysis and paying for all the storage necessary, or using GA, which already exists and is free. If log analytics isn't my core business, why should I spend time implementing it?

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by untog »

gpvos wrote: post #116
untog wrote: post #106

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It's my computer, I pick what I want to display and which code I want to execute. If you really wanted to take a principled stand you just wouldn't use those web sites. Ad blockers are just lazy activism.

The sites are being lazy and/or cheap by using GA. They can use piwik instead. As long as they are lazy, I have an equal right to be lazy.

Not really, GA offers a lot more features than Piwik.

But either way, that doesn't stop ad blockers being lazy activism.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by danso »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #146
VieElm wrote: post #133

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> uBlock blocks piwik all the same Good. I don't want to contribute to your analytics. I don't want ads. I just want to browse the web without being tracked. I don't care if that means you can't pay for your site, other sites will spring up that can without annoying users with ads and without tracking them.

The "other site" in the area I'm operating in is Google. So the situation is more like "other sites will continue to dominate by cross-subsidising from their core business, namely annoying users with ads and tracking them". Is that really what you want?

No, he wants free content without any convenience to him. He doesn't care about the so-called bigger picture, just the instant gratification he's been entitled to.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by Too »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #80
gpvos wrote: post #43

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Blocking Google Analytics is the main point of any blocker I would consider using.

Many sites rely on Google Analytics to be able to do their own promotions and sponsorships, which is the only way they make money other than ads. By blocking GA, the site doesn't see you as a visitor. So, you use the site resources, don't see ads and don't add to their user/page view numbers. Plus, there's the fact that lots of sites use GA to handle inter-page click tracking so they can see what paths users take to…

Many sites? I've been blocking GA through ghostery for years and haven't had any problem ever. Only problem with Ghostery i've noticed is blocking Adobe Typekit and some other UI-framework i can't remember the name of, and that is extreeemly rare. Besides, as many others have said, if a site is stupid enough to rely on a third party server for analytics that is their problem, not mine, there are plenty of good analytics alternatives that can be hosted by yourself easily, and there are plenty of good websites out there that i can visit instead if one is not working without GA.
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