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All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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Interesting, United recently added a pretty lucrative bug bounty program (a rarity among airlines) a couple of weeks ago. http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/Contact/bugbounty.as... It would be ironic if the bug bounty program directly/indirectly lead to this.

I wouldn't want to be paid in miles.

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #113

Interesting. I worked on the support team for the software that creates and files the flightplans for UAL. It was a horrible piece of SW/architecture with many outages. We tested in production daily and had direct access to the databases. I'm pretty sure they never changed their policies.. So yeah, this sounds very much like it! Edit: Just got confirmation, this software was the root cause. No hacks/whatsoever!

This is what I love about HN. There are people that actually worked on x system-in-the-news wandering around. Thanks!

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #118

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That assumption is not reasonable at all. Not only are "dumb" TVs no cheaper, hardly anyone even sells them anymore.

Picking a manufacturer (Samsung) and size (32") at random, I see the smart TV for $499 and non-smart options for 219, 269, 299. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products Just for example.

Its not a direct comparison.

The Smart TV even without the "Smarts" are generally higher end TVs.

Though not indicated on the main screen the $299 option is actually a SmartTV if you click through. You have to get down to the $269 option to get to non-smart TV.

The difference between the $269 and $299 seems to be about the difference for putting a processor in a TV and making it smart....

(Note I don't make the claim that the SmartTVs are cheaper but for the most part its being absorbed in the cost of higher end devices so you get the Smarts "for free" on better sets)

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #45

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This is exactly why I prefer buying "dumb" tvs and simply adding chromecast/appletv/firetv, etc. Much better experience.

My wife and I still have our LCD TV from 2005. It's about 5 inches thick but it works great. The TV is even starting to look very cool/retro and we've been complimented on how it completes the look of our living space!

I still have a CRT TV. Do I win, or is there someone around with a B&W set? :)

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #45

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This is exactly why I prefer buying "dumb" tvs and simply adding chromecast/appletv/firetv, etc. Much better experience.

My wife and I still have our LCD TV from 2005. It's about 5 inches thick but it works great. The TV is even starting to look very cool/retro and we've been complimented on how it completes the look of our living space!

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Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Picking a manufacturer (Samsung) and size (32") at random, I see the smart TV for $499 and non-smart options for 219, 269, 299. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products Just for example.

Its not a direct comparison. The Smart TV even without the "Smarts" are generally higher end TVs. Though not indicated on the main screen the $299 option is actually a SmartTV if you click through. You have to get down to the $269 option to get to non-smart TV. The difference between the $269 and $299 seems to be about the difference for putting a processor in a TV and making it smart.... (Note I don't make the claim…

Oh that's a good spot I missed the 299. But still $30 is the cost of a chromecast or fire stick, to the gp's original point.

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #36

From what I understand of the Chris Roberts fiasco, their avionics systems weren't airgapped from the other systems. If that is the case and not just hype, then no fucking wonder shit like this can happen.

So it's clear, Chris Roberts was referring to tests conducted in a simulator , not a plane. In fact it was a virtualized simulator at that, and one where the systems were purposefully put on the same bus in contradiction of what you'd find on an actual plane. On top of that, his claims to affect the engine were bunk and the most he accomplished was to listen in to network traffic, even with such a contrived scenario.…

Thanks for the info, that's why I added the qualifier about if, because I suspected it might be BS.

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Picking a manufacturer (Samsung) and size (32") at random, I see the smart TV for $499 and non-smart options for 219, 269, 299. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products Just for example.

I can get a 50" LG tv ("dumb"; just connect a Roku over HDMI) for $700 on Amazon.

I'm pretty sure you can't get a 2015 model LG that's 50" or larger that's not a Smart TV.

The cheapest 50" TV they have is $799 has interactivity. http://www.lg.com/us/tvs

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #116

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It doesn't really matter that much if it's dumb or smart. You can use a Chromecast with either, and refusing to buy one kind limits your choices.

Smart TVs tend to have more complex UIs than dumb ones, which are annoying if you don't intend to use the smart functionality, as well as confusing (in terms of duplicated functionality) to less technical users.

And also designed by people who have no business doing UIs in the first place, which makes them crappy. It's a similar situation as with printer "value-added" software from printer vendors.

Re: All United Flights Grounded Due to Mysterious Problem

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post #83

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Except: Bugs that are not eligible for submission: * Bugs on internal sites for United employees or agents (not customer-facing) * Bugs on onboard Wi-Fi, entertainment systems or avionics

The onboard wi-fi and IFE are provided by external vendors (Panasonic, LiveTV, etc) and United probably doesn't want to pay for their bugs.

Whether or not they pay bounties for them, they're definitely paying for them.
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