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Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by macattacke »

mrmondo wrote: post #136
vbernat wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate that you didn't get an answer from your posts in the mailing list but the package has been dropped because of those "grave/serious" bugs: * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771484 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756729 The main problem seems to be there is not enough manpower to keep those policies up-to-date. Once there are "grave/serious" bugs, a non-essential p…

That's interesting indeed - I just don't see how a modern security conscious distribution can be considered releasable without SELinux working. We were using them just fine in a pre-prod (waiting for Jessie to be released) environment. We weren't using GPG but experienced no other issues. Right now, to get around the problem we have ported Fedora's policies across. I'm unsure if these two bugs exist when using Fedora…

can be considered releasable without SELinux

MAC is a JOKE. feds only wrote SELinux because largely they're required to use MAC. there are far better things to worry about than MAC unless youre getting paid triple digits per hour. windows had MAC forever, look how no ones uses it. i could go on.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by macattacke »

chimeracoder wrote: post #58
chdir wrote: post #53

As an AWS user, I switched from Amazon Linux to Ubuntu 14.04 because it's easy to replicate the development environment. No performance/stability issues so far however I'm curious if Debian 8 has an edge over Ubuntu 14.04 for a medium sized website on AWS. My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian.

> My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian. Depends on your definition of "stable". Since distros vary widely on what they consider to be "stable", comparing various distros' stable releases is like comparing processors by raw GHz values or dSLRs by megapixels alone. Debian Stable is the last place to go…

Actually they call it stable because it doesn't change. It achieves a reputation of stability because of the development process and not shipping until bugs are eliminated.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by e12e »

e12e wrote: post #116

I think maybe it's more accurate to say that today is planned release day? Two relevant links: (Second) latest post to debian-devel-announce: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00... And latest post to debian-announce (concerning the latest stable point release, 7.8): https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/04/msg00000.ht...

For posterity, jessie now has an official release announcement email:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00001.html

Also note that the link to the 7.8 point release above is wrong, the correct link is:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00000.html

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by mrmondo »

mrmondo wrote: post #126

As a long time Debian user in a professional environment I was really excited to see that Debian 8 finally added proper SELinux policies - however my colleagues and I were very disappointed to see that these (although working without noticeable issue) were dropped at the last minute with no explanation. Several people in the community have asked what happened to the packages but had no reply from the Debian mailing l…

Found out today when trying to setup HA that Pacemaker is also missing from Jessie because they didn't have time to fix a bug...

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by progman »

stephenr wrote: post #124
Shish2k wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upgrade from wheezy. Continue using sysvinit because "continue using what's installed already" trumps "systemd is default for fresh installs". Problem doesn't even exist. (I actually like systemd, just adding to the list of ways that Debian makes it easy to avoid it, in the hope of the whiners whining less :P)

The docs indicate sysvinit will be replaced by systemd-sysv for wheezy upgrades

It seems to be possible to stay with sysvinit in Jessie:

http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysv...

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by progman »

cgag wrote: post #118
progman wrote: post #100

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At least long enough to decide which Linux distro to use in the future. Unfortunately many distros have already jumped on the systemd wagon but I think soon there will be a increasing collection of non-systemd alternatives which will continue to follow the KISS principle which made Unix and Linux so great. There already _are_ alternatives to systemd and systemv -- launchd and upstart (used by ChromeOS) for instance.…

I just installed void on my laptop (x230) and it's quite nice. Very minimal and uses runit for managing services. Not many packages but it's had everything I've needed so far. It also uses libressl and the packages build against alternative libcs so that's pretty cool. It's also interesting in that it's a new distro rather than a fork. http://www.voidlinux.eu/

That's really interesting. Thanks!

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by progman »

the_why_of_y wrote: post #130
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #121

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"Objectively terrible" certainly isn't the case with systemd, but there's plenty of reasons for adopting software in general that has nothing to do with technical merit. Much of the Linux desktop daemons (particularly ones associated with GNOME and Freedesktop.org) have begun using systemd's interfaces, sometimes as hard dependencies. Thus, for the major distributions that want to tailor to the most popular use cases…

The primary reason why systemd got adoption it that it solved real problems both for end users (system administrators) and for higher layers of the stack. It has replaced various kinds of NIH'ed and pointlessly differently colored bikesheds in different distros with stable public interfaces that obviate #ifdef hell in higher layers of the stack. Your technical debt argument is very apt. It's how we ended up with pile…

As long people have the option which init system (and software in general) to choose everything works fine. However it is not ok to force people to use something they question, or actually don't want. By the way, systemd is not the only way to go. There are also runit and other systems.

I always follow the KISS principle because the more complicated a system gets the more difficult it is to be fixed. I am a Linuxer since 1990, and I am concerned that current Linux distros follow a way which will make maintainability much more difficult by leaving the KISS principle.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by johnchristopher »

exadeci wrote: post #128
johnchristopher wrote: post #16

That's not an official release statement. It's a month old mail stating Debian targeted today as a release date for Debian 8 (edit: latest news item in the list).

What about this: https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426

Check the date, the news you link was posted after this thread's submission.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by johnchristopher »

xyby wrote: post #22
johnchristopher wrote: post #16

That's not an official release statement. It's a month old mail stating Debian targeted today as a release date for Debian 8 (edit: latest news item in the list).

Mailing? It links to a mailing. But the page is release.debian.org - do you have any more authoritative source for a different release date? Also on identi.ca they wrote today: "FTP/Release teams' work is complete; once CD testing is complete, the mirrors will be updated and jessie will be released!" https://identi.ca/debian

Check the submitted page (https://release.debian.org/) and you'll see that even now that Debian 8 is released they don't mention Debian 8 being released or added any new item about that release.

So, no that page didn't (and still doesn't) announce Debian 8 release.

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