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My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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Re: My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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I don't think this is such a terrible thing, although clearly this adversarial approach to testing ideas isn't for you, or everyone. Enrico Fermi used to challenge grad students with similar questions, the famous example being 'how many piano tuners in Chicago?'. I don't think it's a stupid or impossible question, but one that seeks to establish how you go about estimating tricky things and thus identifying fruitful…

Maybe it's the traditionally educated engineering in me (I was trained as a mechanical engineer), but I don't see a point in this purely theoretical hand-wavy math. There are established ways for us to get good estimates of a great deal of information - including your hairdresser problem - that involve seeking out real data. Sitting in a void of zero knowledge and postulating wildly, even if it gets you in the ballpa…

"As a traditionally educated engineer, my training teaches me not to guess whenever facts are available."

Ah, but the most lucrative questions are about products not yet invented, for which there are few facts. They are lucrative because there is not yet any competition. If there were lots of facts available, ripe for the picking, then by definition the net margins would be terrible.

For instance, suppose you were a grad student at the MIT Media Lab in 1995. Does it make financial sense to join the work on an electronic ink product? The answer to that question could only have been derived from a series of guesses and wild deductions. You cannot just look up how efficient planar electroluminescent backlights are going to be in 10 years. Or how expensive and power-hungry non-volatile memory devices are going to be in 10 years.

For a research organization to invent and capture a new market, they have to be good at making and using wild guesses about the future. (Looking up answers is valuable too, but for different reasons.)

Re: My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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The questions mentioned in the article don't seem particularly odious. They sound like standard "think-on-your-feet" case-based questions that management consultants and bankers also love. Demonstrating creativity and problem solving grit is more important than producing a correct number.

I think it was more about how they treated her. or at least her perception of how they were treating her.

I also can't help but notice that some of the interview questions were confusing or misleading when taken into context with the other questions.

The engineer says that he got lost when she mentions ads might have a 25% click through rate but in another question the click through rate was 20%, as an example. She probably thought, but did not write that her earlier estimate would have been ok or acceptable which would be confusing given the engineer's reaction.

Also, if said question was meant to test reasoning skills and not a raw answer, then a wrong estimate for click through shouldn't "lose" anyone. After all, if you haven't worked in search or heard of google or the internet ad business internals, how would you know what the click through rate should be more like? Advertising is but one of many industries.

I think google needs to be a bit more careful about how they ask questions or at least have interviewers talk to each other. Probably too difficult since they all have other tasks and duties to do.

Re: My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's the traditionally educated engineering in me (I was trained as a mechanical engineer), but I don't see a point in this purely theoretical hand-wavy math. There are established ways for us to get good estimates of a great deal of information - including your hairdresser problem - that involve seeking out real data. Sitting in a void of zero knowledge and postulating wildly, even if it gets you in the ballpa…

"As a traditionally educated engineer, my training teaches me not to guess whenever facts are available." Ah, but the most lucrative questions are about products not yet invented, for which there are few facts. They are lucrative because there is not yet any competition. If there were lots of facts available, ripe for the picking, then by definition the net margins would be terrible. For instance, suppose you were a…

I think you're badly mistaking what I'm talking about with "looking up answers" - what I'm talking about is considerably more than that.

How efficient will planar electroluminescent backlights be in 10 years? That's a good question - and one we can make an educated stab at given the right historical data, the right experience in forecasting, and a little bit of plain luck. Heck, you're now talking about an entire field of mathematics and engineering in and of itself!

Compare this to the Google interview though - where they expect you to pull a number out of your ass, with no opportunity to consult historical data, no field experts to interview... no due diligence done at all. It is either an extremely poor approximation of real-life problem solving skills, or everyone at Google is recklessly cowboy and trying to deduce every decision ever by sheer will of logic alone.

Re: My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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Her last answer really did her in, I think. She said she was "wishing [the number of graduating seniors] was higher" since she was amid a job search. That would mean more competition for jobs. That indicates a lack of critical thinking skills.

Your comment indicates a lack of reading skills. She said that she wished the number of graduating seniors who had jobs were higher.

By golly, you're right! I'd downvote myself if I could. Looks like I owe her an apology.

Re: My Nightmare Interviews With Google

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I bet the commenter above would prefer to be judged on his accomplishments as an interviewer, rather than some half-assed assessment of him as a person made in a comment.

It wasn't any assessment of the commenter, but rather the cumulation of my experiences doing interviews and talking to folks from these companies. Still prejudiced, but you make me sound like a total dick. :)

Ha, touché!
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