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Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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You don't like the source, lah? Take this one instead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-06/what-retir...

please, don't use "lah" or any other form of Singlish. it's condescending and, worse, embarrassing for you when you get the syntax wrong, as in this case.

exactly. thank you for saying that.

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Let me clap for you because you have 2715 karma, you who look to have wasted all these trips to our region (how can you travel so much, yet absorb so little). Our entire nation is in mourning, but please do feel free to take keep taking uneducated potshots at a dead man using recycled sound-bites from the 90s, and displaying exactly why freedom of speech is overrated. We will return to pit our unsubstantiated anecdot…

"Asshole's dead. Good riddance. Stole power on a platform of communism, moved to totalitarianism / familial nepotism, set up his 'wealthy, modern' state by money laundering for Burmese junta, struck up a cheap friendship with US (easy sale: naval positioning for the straits, cable taps on comms, aggressively purchasing regional comms providers in places like .au), did a PR job on .sg's great 'democracy'. His biograph…

Hear, hear.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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I'm a Singaporean. I've worked in opposition politics. I'm going to be voting this year. Here are a few thoughts: - your understanding of the Lees in Singapore have no historical context. You cannot view his leadership in a vacuum. You cannot look at Singapore politics and say it needs a dash of 'Western liberalism & democracy' and proclaim Chee Soon Juan one of its administrators. LKY, and the Singapore of his time,…

Oh, I actually agree with most (but not all) of what you say. The Workers Party is the only viable opposition at the moment, but this is largely because they are very careful to "play by the rules" and not antagonize the Government too much. What worries me, though, is that they are allowed to exist at the Government's forbearance. If they start to pose a real threat to the PAP's dominance, everything I've seen leads…

The other opposition parties are not viable because they are (1) terribly organized (2) run by personality cults --> both of these are traits which do not lend well to 'creating a better alternative'.

They can't even get a newsletter going without fighting about it -> level of disorganization and in-fighting.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Oh good god. As a Singaporean (who has worked in the opposition politics no less) I am sick and tired of Chee Soon Juan the megalomaniac who can't get basic economics right, being treated as our saviour. He is not.

Opposition politics in Singapore? Welcome to hell.

At least I'm trying.

You guys don't make my job any easier by shitting on Singapore whenever you get the chance to, without even the least interest in learning the truth about it.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Every other way is up for debate? We have a good education system, and I would not trade our healthcare system for what you're likely used to; as a gay Singaporean, I have no curtailing of my social freedoms. I cannot marry or adopt legally yet, but that's the conversation that we're soon going to have (and which the "West" has only just recently gotten). The civil service is good. More can be done for the low income…

Well, as a gay Singaporean, I assume you are familiar with section 377A of the penal code that makes having sex or trying to pick up a date punishable by two years in prison? And that your parliament is basically unanimously in favor of retaining it, with overwhelming public support?

Yes, and I fought for its repeal along with other members of civil society. There was no overwhelming public support. In the only show of overwhelming public support was when fundamentalist Christians (who are not affiliated with the government) took over a feminist organization and overwhelming public support for the feminists and homosexuals pushed them out.

I'm not comfortable with blanket statements about Singapore politics and society from armchair political scientists.

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So we are too corrupt or are we too authoritarian? After all we just jailed a man over pineapple tart corruption. NKF is not the government. That's kind of like saying that TSA molests people, and that the federal government is responsible for it.

It's possible to be both. Do not tolerate protest, and also promote family members to run state organisations.

I think you'll find that there are no grounds to prove the latter part of your statement in a way which supports your implied accusations of nepotism.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Opposition politics in Singapore? Welcome to hell.

At least I'm trying. You guys don't make my job any easier by shitting on Singapore whenever you get the chance to, without even the least interest in learning the truth about it.

Without the least interest of learning about Singapore? When people who have lived in Singapore for almost a decade talk about the country (city) I would call that an informed opinion. Singaporeans love to compare Singapore to western countries, and in some limited but important respects Singapore is better (government financials and easy basic healthcare). When it comes to freedom and human right Singapore isn't up to the same (very low in my opinion) standards of the western countries it compares itself to. Maybe you can help change that. Most people's idea of freedom is what their country tells them they can do. Western countries are just further up on the wrong end of the bell curve.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Most people here are ideologically committed to western concepts of freedom. It doesn't matter how good the results are as long as things aren't done their way.

What is your version of freedom?

A comfortable enough life that you can actually choose what to do rather than having your hand forced by circumstances.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Asshole's dead. Good riddance. Stole power on a platform of communism, moved to totalitarianism / familial nepotism, set up his 'wealthy, modern' state by money laundering for Burmese junta, struck up a cheap friendship with US (easy sale: naval positioning for the straits, cable taps on comms, aggressively purchasing regional comms providers in places like .au), did a PR job on .sg's great 'democracy'. His biography…

> set up his 'wealthy, modern' state by money laundering for Burmese junta D'oh! I've been wondering how Singapore's low-taxing government accumulated all the capital that it invested, and that answer is so obvious: they took it from people somewhere else . Would you mind pointing me to a book that fills in the details?

I found the real answer: the low taxes were all lies, and Mr Lee actually took half of everyone's salary for his family to invest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Provident_Fund

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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I'm a Singaporean. I've worked in opposition politics. I'm going to be voting this year. Here are a few thoughts: - your understanding of the Lees in Singapore have no historical context. You cannot view his leadership in a vacuum. You cannot look at Singapore politics and say it needs a dash of 'Western liberalism & democracy' and proclaim Chee Soon Juan one of its administrators. LKY, and the Singapore of his time,…

Oh, I actually agree with most (but not all) of what you say. The Workers Party is the only viable opposition at the moment, but this is largely because they are very careful to "play by the rules" and not antagonize the Government too much. What worries me, though, is that they are allowed to exist at the Government's forbearance. If they start to pose a real threat to the PAP's dominance, everything I've seen leads…

You must have met ignorant ones amongst the population who have no inkling of how the system works here . I'm an opposition party campaigner in my 50s .. votes are secret... nobody will know. We have observers party from both sides throughout the whole process of balloting and counting till the results are announced and we can protest if there's peeking at particulars or foul play
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