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I first ran into this idea here[1] where one of the best ways to "push back against privilege" was "shut up". [1] http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/02/4-ways-push-back-p...
Oh, I'm aware of the idea's genesis and purpose. I just happen to not think much of it.
Perhaps the people who have downvoted every comment so far would like to contribute to the conversation?
I am a female developer about 6 years older than the author. I absolutely love the end of this article: > Slowly but steadily, I am learning to see my dresses and high-pitched voice not as hurdles to my success, but as symbols of the perspective I bring to the table. This conclusion is fantastic and shows a sense of confidence and maturity that I think all professionals of all genders need to project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_0gXLKLbk
I suppose the next headline will be "Man in dress harassed by peers. Sexism in computer industry to blame."
Go ahead, mod me down. Throwaway account.
Well she writes like a junior because she is. But the main points she makes - subtle sexism regarding capability in the face of equivalent effort - are certainly observable and do ring true. When I see articles like this (and the issue of sexism in computing does pop up quite often) I usually agree. It is there. But what can be done? I myself have been a disgusting example of a male engineer at times. And as much as…
You've successfully completed steps 1 and 2: 1. Acknowledge there is a real problem. 2. Acknowledge you are part of the problem. Now, on to steps 3-n! 3. Don't be discouraged, accept that there are things you can do to help! This is good , you're about to become a more valuable member of society. 4. Accept that you need to put in some effort. Not much, don't worry. Most of it is shutting up. 5. Read what women write…
A. Notice that someone could improve their behaviour.
B. Notice that you could give them useful advice to improve their behaviour.
Now, on to step C!
C. Don't be a condescending dick when dispensing said advice.
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> Wow, way to go! I read HN so I must be a PG cheerleader and ergo I'm definitely sexist! For someone who is all about psychological errors, you seem to have constructed quite a narrative. I'm not talking about cheerleading -- just the level of analysis. I'm not trying to make you into some horrible monster or anything -- that is your projection onto my criticism. Speaking of psychological blinders: I stand by my ass…
> At the risk of repeating myself, I just don't think you're reading PG's articles and thinking that what he says happened to him, didn't happen. I never said that what happened to this woman didn't happen, nor did I say I didn't believe her. I fully believe that she was treated differently when she wore dresses versus stereotypical tech clothes, I believe she (to paraphrase) got skeezed on by a bunch of dudes, and I…
The idea that the harassment wouldn't happen if she were old and ugly doesn't make it not about sexism -- anymore than a guy who only patronizes a certain kind of woman (the kind he is attracted to) is not sexist because he doesn't patronize all women equally.
There is a sense which (I think) you're going for where this could be thought of as people latching onto things that are "out of the norm", rather than specifically sexism -- but that seems tautological to me. All -isms (that I can think of) are based on pre-judging based on things that are non-normative: sex, race, age, orientation -- you name it.
What is the norm that she's violating? Well, it seems (to me) to be existing as a (technical) woman in the workplace and all of the attributes that come along with that -- like a human that speaks in a higher register, or wears dresses or doesn't wear t-shirts as regularly.
This is, again, not uncommon and therefore the most likely explanation for all of the things she's encountered taken in totality. "Culture fit", which you refer to, is about prejudice -- and each time the type of prejudice may differ (between racism, sexism, & agism, let's say[1]) but it's still prejudice, not some magical other thing.
[1] suit-ism, let's not forget suit-ism. :-)[2]
[2] Sharp dressed -ism?
I am a female developer about 6 years older than the author. I absolutely love the end of this article: > Slowly but steadily, I am learning to see my dresses and high-pitched voice not as hurdles to my success, but as symbols of the perspective I bring to the table. This conclusion is fantastic and shows a sense of confidence and maturity that I think all professionals of all genders need to project.
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I would caution you against falling into the intellectual trap of believing your interpretation to be objective, especially here. Why must sexism be purposeful? Is it not a more damning implication of the culture for non-purposeful sexism to exist?
Indeed. Lea writes a cogent article about a pervasive problem of sexism and hostility to women in education and industry and her personal experiences with it. From a thousand yards, a few of her individual examples seem that they might be a bit overblown and unfair to the other party, perhaps based on her own assumptions from being on the receiving end of so much blatant sexism. But picking them apart one by one to d…
First of all, calling a group of guys a sausage fest is reverse sexism. If I called a classroom full of girls a barbie play-date, or a tea party, or a "fashion" class - regardless of the real reason for their gathering, people would be outraged - and rightfully so. None of those things are true and it's disrespectful to say something like that. Second, the guy who said "well I should have applied for that" might have…
Side note: My relative who works in HR has told me time and again, the appropriate way to say "you look nice" to a co-worker in a professional setting is to not say it . In that setting, beyond grossly inappropriate work attire (at which point all comments should go directly to HR and not the employee), there is no need to make a subjective-comment on someone's appearance, you're there to work. (edit) grammar
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Oh, I'm aware of the idea's genesis and purpose. I just happen to not think much of it.
Glad someone here has critical thinking skills.
(Unless you were being sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text.)
> I’ve had middle-aged coworkers (not at Facebook, another internship) literally GChat me pickup lines (that aren’t even clever) to the point I’d avoid certain portions of the office altogether; Not to be trite, but the only thing worse than being a girl who gets Gchated pick up lines, is one who doesn't. OK, now. What am I driving at? My view on a primary reason why there doesn't seem to be more progress is because…