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Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Remember, y'all: this is the government that brought you PRISM and XKEYSCORE and TAO. This is the government with the department who tortured Manning and is pressuring the UK to illegally interfere with Assange's right to asylum.

Think twice before you provide material aid to the enemy.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Two things I wonder about: 1) Is an outfit like the U.S. Digital Service considering people who don't have undergraduate degrees, but have a consistent track record or are a part of established teams? 2) Is the salary roughly comparable with what's available in the private sector? I understand that the government might pay less in return for some of the perks of government work, but how close are they coming these da…

1) I was offered a job with the USDS (well, the VA's in-agency team) and I don't have a degree. 2) The max was 155k, but I couldn't make the finances work to relocate from SF with my family... and 155k wasn't enough to support our family comfortably in DC (even living in northern VA).

It's funny that when people here actually look at the salaries being paid to government employees they find them low yet articles here discussing government spending as it relates to how much public servants get paid is typically met with derision at how "over paid" government employees are.

Anyone seriously considering this should also look at living in Baltimore and taking the commuter train into DC cost of living is much lower.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I would seriously consider joining as a developer. If it didn't mean moving to DC. I couldn't determine if there were any remote opportunities or positions in the Bay Area.

There's a two-year fellowship with renewable terms through the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. I hear that they and their workers are always interested in talking to good developers and designers, and that a large majority of their tech folks work from around the country. http://www.consumerfinance.gov/jobs/technology-innovation-fe...

Source/disclaimer: I'm a UX designer with the CFPB who just started said fellowship, who lives and works remotely from Chicago.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I work for the UK Government Digital Service - my views don't necessarily represent my employer. There are lots of comments here around the idea of whether you would work for a government if you disagreed with their political views. What I love about working on GDS projects is the potential to improve so many people's lives. People often don't have a choice when it comes to interacting with government - it's often a…

Working for change from within the system is definitely a legitimate position to take.

That said, the objections I'm reading here are centered around supporting a government that actively tortures political activists and captured enemies. I think the phrase "if you [disagree] with their political views" trivializes that position.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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post #141

Remember, y'all: this is the government that brought you PRISM and XKEYSCORE and TAO. This is the government with the department who tortured Manning and is pressuring the UK to illegally interfere with Assange's right to asylum. Think twice before you provide material aid to the enemy.

Also, government is made of people and if good people stop coming into government and try make a difference, you end up with a government-enemy.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're trying to say but literally every department, bureau, and agency replaces leadership and huge numbers of staff when the White House changes parties. We can argue about whether that's a good thing, but those organizations do seem to weather the change and continue on with their core functions. The State Department is vastly more complex than a tech company yet manages to keep itself in order when one…

The State Dept can't be replaced by a federal contractor. USDS can; why not award Raytheon or L3 (or Halliburton) a contract, acquihire the best devs from the old team, and lay the rest off?

This is hard to enforce. This is supposedly the rationale already used to farm out massive IT contracts to contractors - that they can attract better talent, etc. But in reality, the contractors often don't really care about quality and instead just want to put butts in seats.

So unless you've written a really solid contract with solid, quantifiable high-quality deliverables, you're out of luck.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This not a jaunt to Korea or Vietnam, holy moly.

No, but its arguably more important. Less risky, but as a good developer the opportunity cost might be high aswell.

I believe parent was balking at the appropriation of "tour of duty" to describe taking a government job for a couple of years.

The phrase carries strong connotations for a certain subset of people and it would be pretty tone deaf of us as a community to repurpose it to mean "writing instructions for computers the government owns."

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I have met some of the 18F folks here in San Francisco, and I have gradually become convinced that there is a lot of substance to this effort. People, apparently including people at the highest levels, recognize that information technology has made enormous leaps in the private sector, and they are serious about helping government catch up. One of the most interesting bits to me was something said by Todd Park, a for…

It should come as no surprise that Mr. Park is on board; He built two public healthcare IT companies (ATHN, CSLT). He can definitely recruit good tech talent. The question is: Can he convince others in government that, as another post on the HN front page says right now, we should replace middle management with APIs?

That's a great question. At 18F, we [0] https://github.com/18F/api-standards

[1] https://github.com/18F/jekyll_pages_api

[2] https://github.com/18F/API-All-the-X and http://18f.github.io/API-All-the-X/

[3] https://github.com/18F/api.data.gov

[4] https://github.com/18F/fbopen

[5] https://github.com/18f/?query=api etc, etc

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