Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by bohol » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 1:56 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #123

bohol wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, while nostalgic, the Commodore and Atari scene were tiny in comparison. Since the mid nineties people have learned graphics programming and reverse engineering primarily on Windows. It's not like OS programming is going away, but it has always been mostly a university thing. And you could say we already are in big trouble. Since the ecosystem for multimedia weren't (and isn't) very good on Linux a lot of qualifie…

> No, while nostalgic, the Commodore and Atari scene were tiny in comparison You know, when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the wise decision is just not to answer. Both the Commodore and Atari scenes were way bigger than the PC's in the mid 80s till the early 90s. Ask any demoparty goer if you don't believe me.

I'm not talking about pre-90s and I've been to many demoparties. Do you want to refute that the PC demoscene have had a huge impact on the modern games industry? Because if you read my original comment, that is my point.

Oh, and maybe you should read the site guidelines, second paragraph under "In Comments".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by fnordfnordfnord » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 1:59 PM UTC

I want this to be a good thing. I probably still have some Ballmer-induced "PTSD", so I approach these things with extra skepticism (even though I like the recent changes seen at MS). More choices often means a better ecosystem. More kids hacking is a good thing.

One problem that I see is that Broadcomm and peripheral makers will continue to release binary-only blobs/drivers, and the MSVS based toolchain could start to be the only way to do some of the really cool things. ie a few "killer" apps will done up and those will only be accessible on the Win/MSVS (free-as-in-bait) platform. Linux will again be relegated to the kind of blind-reverse-engineering, playing catchup, and being a second place late finisher; which we have all seen, and continue to see today.

Another is that educators at the lower level will take the "easy/safe/familiar" route and teach Windows exclusively, as is the case today even into college.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:01 PM UTC

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #142

I want this to be a good thing. I probably still have some Ballmer-induced "PTSD", so I approach these things with extra skepticism (even though I like the recent changes seen at MS). More choices often means a better ecosystem. More kids hacking is a good thing. One problem that I see is that Broadcomm and peripheral makers will continue to release binary-only blobs/drivers, and the MSVS based toolchain could start…

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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by xyby » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:04 PM UTC

benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

> IoT

What is that? "Internet of Things"? "Installs on Tablets"?

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by listic » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:05 PM UTC

beagle3 wrote: post #42

I would love to here the inside story here. Based on my experience with Win7 and Win8, I expect that Win10 would have crawled (or not at all worked) with the slower CPU and smaller memory. My guess would be that the Raspberry Pi 2 is, in fact, a Microsoft initiative rather than an RPi Foundation initiative - and that Microsoft have actually contributed significant funds to make this possible. Either way, that is good…

That makes sense. After all, they were not going to release an RPi 2 until 2017, and now - suddenly - they have a new version with Windows (version) support from the get go! http://www.extremetech.com/computing/186263-raspberry-pi-2-t...

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by new_hackers » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:08 PM UTC

zxcvcxz wrote: post #113

nmeofthestate wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For hardcore nerds like yourself there will still be Linux. I don't see it as an ominous development. And for old stick-in-the-mud people who never got into Linux like me, this could make doing stuff with a RPi much easier. (Edit: btw I'm using "hardcore nerd" as a compliment).

How would you use a ras pi with windows installed on it? I'm assuming windows 10 is going to have a decent CLI that you're all going to have to learn and pretty soon all the windows programmers who never had time to learn the Linux command line will have plenty of time to learn the new windows command line.

Probably will be PowerShell, which isn't bad. It's probably a good shell for teaching because it is fairly consistent in its conventions.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by dandelion_lover » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:10 PM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #132

eterm wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Kids will be more productive on Windows Citation needed.

Didn't we just establish that it's the system that kids already know more about?

Not kids. Teachers.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by tormeh » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:12 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #75

psykovsky wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux also. From the consumer market, only OS X/iOS demands over-priced hardware to run.

Premium not over-priced. I am still yet to find any laptop with the build or trackpad quality of any of the MacBooks.

Thinkpads have better build quality (but crappy trackpads). Macbook's cases feel nice but they're brittle.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by ashleyw » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:14 PM UTC

xyby wrote: post #144

benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

> IoT What is that? "Internet of Things"? "Installs on Tablets"?

Internet of Things: https://dev.windows.com/featured/Windows-Developer-Program-f...

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by watty » Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 2:25 PM UTC

benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

Can you clarify the key differences? What happens if you hook up a monitor, just DOS command line or does it have a desktop UI? Can you remote desktop?

That's seriously underwhelming...