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Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by phinkle »

natural219 wrote: post #125
phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

My experience has actually been the opposite! Most hacker houses I've lived in have been run by women and seem especially friendly and welcoming to women residents.

That's really awesome! Maybe I am looking at the wrong hacker houses. Which ones did you stay in?

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by hellbanner »

eldavido wrote: post #124
shanemhansen wrote: post #65

On one hand this seems pretty reasonable. I'm assuming you're going to be out between 20 and 40k if you use a recruiter in the bay area. You can play a lot of games like this if you have 20 to 40k. Reading between the lines it seems like they also select for single/childless people, unless you really expect people to show up with their spouse and children. Stepping back a moment, I'm stunned and thankful to be an eng…

I'm thankful and I'm not. On one hand, it's nice to know you're in-demand and can easily earn income. On the other hand, as a working developer, the subtext of a lot of this stuff is frankly pretty offensive. "Let's throw some stupid, token perks at these developers who don't know how to negotiate for salary so they'll come build my dream!" How about, pay people commensurate with the value they create for your organi…

It sounds like you can take advantage of this though by just showing up for a week, enjoying SF.

Are you suggesting that the salaries these engineers & designers would be offered are subpar?

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by lytol »

hellbanner wrote: post #142

http://hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg cracks me up. The guy's got wine in a hottub looking seriously at his laptop.. take a break from work man!

Macallan 12 – that's a fine scotch! Also, it appears empty, which probably means he's on break whether he thinks so or not.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by 6t6t6 »

phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

Your comment assuming that a woman is cleaner than a man, just because she is a woman, is the most sexist I will probably read today.

Some people don't really understand what's the meaning of feminism.

But reading your comment again, I think you were just trolling.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by indlebe »

lohengramm wrote: post #131
phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

I know that people will look down on my comment without arguing just because of political correctness, but if women expect to have the same rights and duties of men, then they should get used to be treated the same way. This might not be the case, but your comment make it look like you think that women should be treated some way differently because of no obvious reason.

>get used to being treated the same way.

Can you elaborate on this? IMHO women should be treated equally when it makes moral sense. I.e. women's bathrooms need to be larger because of the various things they need to do in there, not just societal norm things but things like changing tampons, pads.

The menstrual cycle also affects productivity and is essentially a reoccurring medical issue that needs regular treatment.

As for the greater issue being discussed about the male centric nature of hackerspaces and hacker houses, alot of this has to do with proven social psychology facts about how the average man reacts to women that don't fit societal stereotypes. Lots of papers on that.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by brianpgordon »

eldavido wrote: post #124
shanemhansen wrote: post #65

On one hand this seems pretty reasonable. I'm assuming you're going to be out between 20 and 40k if you use a recruiter in the bay area. You can play a lot of games like this if you have 20 to 40k. Reading between the lines it seems like they also select for single/childless people, unless you really expect people to show up with their spouse and children. Stepping back a moment, I'm stunned and thankful to be an eng…

I'm thankful and I'm not. On one hand, it's nice to know you're in-demand and can easily earn income. On the other hand, as a working developer, the subtext of a lot of this stuff is frankly pretty offensive. "Let's throw some stupid, token perks at these developers who don't know how to negotiate for salary so they'll come build my dream!" How about, pay people commensurate with the value they create for your organi…

I like the idea of moving some of the risk from the job-seeker to the job-offerer. If the developer gets a hotel room for a week in SF and the trip ends up not resulting in a job, he or she is out hundreds of dollars, and that risk might discourage people from visiting from outside of the bay area. There might be a huge number of developers right on the edge where it doesn't quite make sense for them to take a trip to SF, but free room and board would bring them in. Employers are already throwing tens of thousands per employee at recruiting, so this little investment might make a huge difference compared to other recruiting tactics.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by mgraczyk »

phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

I've been living in a hacker house in Palo Alto for ~5 months now. There has been at least one female resident the entire time I've been there. None have ever complained about the messiness or behavior of the male inhabitants. On the contrary, we all get along well and if anything the woman have been more tolerant than average of others' messes and disorganization (probably just a coincidence).

In talking with my roommates about other hacker houses they've lived in, nobody has ever mentioned problems with men treating women improperly. I visited one of the houses in SF that was ~30% women and it seemed like everybody got along well and cleaned up after themselves.

The only material gender difference that has come up for us is that men are generally heavier so they make more noise when they walk around barefoot.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by burger_moon »

nbardy wrote: post #99

I just applied and this is really a perfect fit for me. However, I have a hard time seeing who else would be interested in this opportunity. I'm currently traveling and bouncing around so spending some time in San Francisco sounds great. Anyone else who signed up, what position are you in where living in San Francisco for a couple days works for you?

I signed up. I'm currently doing a contract job that will be up in a few months which also aligned with my lease being up and I am interested in moving to SF so this would be perfect for me if I was chosen because I could go out there after my contract, get a job and move hassle free.
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