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Eggs Not Always What They're Cracked Up to Be

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Post by darkarmani »

ars wrote: post #128
mcmancini wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your advice seems to contradict the FDA: http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm077342.... What is the basis for your claims?

Almost every other country except the US does not refrigerate eggs. I've personally kept US eggs unrefrigerated for 2 months with no problems - none of them were spoiled. Refrigeration is mainly for freshness (i.e. yolk firmness). It's not necessary to prevent spoiling.

> Almost every other country except the US does not refrigerate eggs.

Isn't salmonella more of a US problem? It's not that the eggs will spoil, it's that the salmonella will reach a level that makes people sick if you don't overcook the egg.

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Post by darkarmani »

kaybe wrote: post #125
byoung2 wrote: post #99

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I've yet to find an egg like that, though I've heard you can get them if you raise backyard chickens. I've seen very firm yolks in the Philippines, where the farm to store time is hours, not days or weeks like in the US. Eggs aren't refrigerated there like they are here, which I found hard to accept, but it turns out that if you wash the eggs on the farm (as is required in the US), you have to refrigerate them. In th…

We discussed this issue a while back. I cannot remember the exact article, but it was along the lines of this one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2644251/Un-scrambl... According to this, it is an issue of salmonella: UK eggs, for instance - which typically have more orange yolks than their American counterparts - are stored at room temperature, while those in the U.S. are required by law to be stored at lo…

I don't have any links, but IIRC, PA had a pilot program back in the 80s or 90s to test and destroy infected birds. It was a great success but never expanded upon. Producers were able to push the risk and cost onto consumers instead of providing safe food.

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Post by meepmorp »

ineedtosleep wrote: post #54
debacle wrote: post #16

The study is funded by the Coalition for Sustainable Egg Supply [1] which is "facilitated" by the Center for Food Integrity [2], which is run by a PR firm on behalf of ConAgra, Monsanto, Tyson, and others. It makes me sad that NPR is slowly turning into just another mouthpiece. [1] http://www2.sustainableeggcoalition.org/ [2] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Food_I...

Poisoning the well much? Even if true, one biased article does not make them into "another mouthpiece."

It says more about you than anyone else if knowing the names of the founders makes the data seem unreliable.

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Post by saeguaiga »

gd1 wrote: post #76
ceejayoz wrote: post #72

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No, but if you do a GIS for "barn" you'll find virtually every top result to be a red barn. Here's a screen shot: http://cl.ly/image/3G2w3N2a3d1e/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-23%2... I'm saying chicken/dairy/etc. producers will happily use this stereotypical image in their marketing, but the reality of how they're raising the animals is very different.

True enough, but the positive response you feel to a red barn is just as illogical as the negative response you feel towards the word 'industrial' as applied to barns or fans. Do you see the irony in an article debunking these feel good labels applied to the eggs, by applying negative labels instead to evoke pictures of industrial factories, etc.? Do you really think the chickens are bothered by the colour and style…

Yes, from the sunrise/set lighting US reforms of '84 and subsequent Seasonal Affective Disorder DSM entry, and the vaccine production compliance closure, research on how to keep and lose domesticated raptor blends is deathless; and reflected in barn weather coating choices. Choices foiled by inconsistent use of supply dunnage as decor savings.

Though yes, once the chickens are into their perceptual program and farm tasks (because categories,) the IR head tracking and task stack do not continue to produce gains in individuals or art.

Heads up for garden-servicing, heliostat-cleaning exhibition breeds' completely automated union brawls with the LiPo competition, though.

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Post by deevus »

I wonder how closely this applies to eggs in Australia. I will keep a look out "pasture raised", as I do like to buy better quality, more humanely sourced eggs.

It's articles like these that make me love coming to HN, regardless of the fact that there's no "hacking" per se.

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Post by abecedarius »

archagon wrote: post #21

The description in "The Omnivore's Dilemma" of egg yolks from idyllically pasture-raised chickens is forever stuck in my memory. "Between stops, Art mentioned that Joel’s eggs usually gave him his foot in the door when trying to land a new account. We stopped in at one such prospect, a newly opened restaurant called the Filling Station. Art introduced himself and presented the chef with a brochure and a dozen eggs. T…

A couple sorts you can get from Whole Foods seemed like that to me: Vital Farms and Frenzs. (I haven't seen the latter in some time.) And sometimes eggs from a farmers market, though chances are still against it on any variety I haven't tried yet.

P.S. here was Frenzs vs. a local farmers market in L.A. a few years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/abecedarius/4625809089/

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Post by abecedarius »

shalmanese wrote: post #139

Given how much HN loves to bring up the studies that show people fail at tasting wine, it's surprising that nobody has talked about how double blind studies consistently reveal that there's no perceptible taste difference between different types of eggs (once color is controlled for): Washington Post: > The egg industry has been conducting blind tastings for years. The only difference is that they don't use dish-towe…

Richer taste would be a nice bonus, but I get pastured eggs for nutrition and ethics.

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Post by anomalous »

derekp7 wrote: post #119
Aloisius wrote: post #29

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The color of an egg yolk is based on what the chicken ate and has no bearing on how idyllic their lives were. There are plenty of pasture raised chickens without the deep orange color because the plant material around them (you can get nearly white colored yolks from a hen that has literally miles of pasture around them). If there a lot of capsicum peppers around for instance, the yolks will turn almost red. How firm…

If you look on the egg carton, there should be a 3-digit date code telling you when the eggs were laid. That code is the day number of the year (so 032 would be Feb 1, 182 is July 1, etc). I've gotten in the habit of figuring out which day number it currently is, then at least I know how old the eggs are that I'm getting.

Would the expiration date not proportionally correlate to the date the eggs were laid?

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Post by akamaka »

dubfan wrote: post #90
debacle wrote: post #23

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There are logical reasons for being against GMOs. Many of them have nothing to do with the fact that the product is GMO: * GMOs tend to promote monoculture and pesticide use. * Studies have shown that the same developments that make GMOs more insect resistant can also make them more difficult to digest. * When it comes to animals, GMOs tend to have much poorer quality of life and tend to be completely incapable of su…

> * GMOs tend to promote monoculture and pesticide use. That's true for industrialized agriculture in general and not specific to GMOs. Growing GMOs doesn't promote monoculture or pesticide use any more than growing conventional crops do. In fact the same farmers that grow GMOs often grow conventional crops at the same time, or switch from year to year, with very little change in their practices. > * Studies have sho…

There are new concerns specifically about the effect of GMOs on biodiversity: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetically_modifi...
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