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Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by tomjen3 »

suprgeek wrote: post #124

Their troubles in India may get bigger: The Indian Govt. is thinking about banning them all across India [1] Can't come soon enough for a company that heavily advertised itself as being the Safer option in India and conveniently actually skipped the background verification part of the process. Then the asshat CEO put the entire blame on the "System" in a finger pointing blog post. "Move fast and Break things" Indeed.…

Not an Indian, but isn't mostly a matter of whom you have to bribe and how much?

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by avinassh »

rikacomet wrote: post #133
avinassh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The alleged driver had previously served 7 months in prison for rape charges, that didn't stop Uber from recruiting him. mostly because he had No Objection Certificate from Delhi Police itself [0] that his history is clean? EDIT: This image could be fake too, I can't trust our Indian media houses either :| [0] - http://i.imgur.com/rwjhHBq.jpg source of [0] - https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/541885210573275136

NOC doesn't mean his record is clean, or he is safe to hire. NOC means, that DP doesn't have any issues with him getting recruited anywhere (ofcourse if people with records of served sentence aren't going to get a job, they will get into more shady things). Uber on its own, had to follow its marketing pitch at least(that it checks bla bla bla). But then again, that didn't happen, and that is the basis of the outburst…

Well the certificate mentions he has no criminal records.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by shubhamjain »

avinassh wrote: post #92
RealGeek wrote: post #10

Uber is not being banned just because of this rape incident. Uber did not following Indian laws & Delhi transport regulations, and operated illegally under the radar. Before this incident, Delhi Government was not aware about how Uber operated. This incident prompted Indian authorities to investigate the operations of Uber. Uber's stance is that we are not a taxi company, we are an app company; so we do not need to f…

> The alleged driver had previously served 7 months in prison for rape charges, that didn't stop Uber from recruiting him. mostly because he had No Objection Certificate from Delhi Police itself [0] that his history is clean? EDIT: This image could be fake too, I can't trust our Indian media houses either :| [0] - http://i.imgur.com/rwjhHBq.jpg source of [0] - https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/541885210573275136

Delhi Police say that the character certificate is fake. The person whose signature appear on the certificate was posted in Mizoram. [0]

[0]: https://twitter.com/invincibleidea/status/541951277245005824

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by [deleted] »

dreamweapon wrote: post #67

From the very beginning, Uber has been fiercely proud of its eschewance of local regulations; and it's business model has always been, in a nutshell, about maximizing profit while offloading risk. So while I have no doubt that Travis is genuinely horrified by what happened, he shouldn't be in the least bit surprised, either.

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Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by yummyfajitas »

DanBC wrote: post #139
yummyfajitas wrote: post #50

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Which do you think will reduce rape right now ? A bunch of rapists showing up at hospitals with holes in them, or some sort of education campaign to change the culture? If things can get better in 10 years that's great. I'd also like the women I care about to be safe tomorrow. A few dead rapists is a small price to pay for that.

Nice victim blaming - they got raped because they didn't want to shoot someone.

Singling me out for nonsensical comments based on a wild misreading of my posts has reached the point of silliness. Why do you bother?

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by ignoramous »

tomjen3 wrote: post #141
suprgeek wrote: post #124

Their troubles in India may get bigger: The Indian Govt. is thinking about banning them all across India [1] Can't come soon enough for a company that heavily advertised itself as being the Safer option in India and conveniently actually skipped the background verification part of the process. Then the asshat CEO put the entire blame on the "System" in a finger pointing blog post. "Move fast and Break things" Indeed.…

Not an Indian, but isn't mostly a matter of whom you have to bribe and how much?

Exactly. Threatening to ban Uber can mean only one thing-- The law-makers need a fund raiser too-- now that Uber is a $40 billion company.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by ceejayoz »

_nedR wrote: post #122
ceejayoz wrote: post #36

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> Do you know that more women are raped every year in UK & US than in India? Bullshit. Your link states "does not include cases of rape which go unreported, which are not recorded, and does not account for differing definitions between countries". http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/01/07... > Three-fourths of the perpetrators of India's 24,206 rapes in 2011 are still at large, and that's not even…

Lets take statistics for a type of crime that does almost always get reported. Homicide rate in US : 4.7 per 100,000 Homicide rate in India : 3.5 per 100,000 Most of the world's perception of rape in India is based exclusively on foreign media coverage of the issue which presents a heavily skewed image compared to reality on the ground. Once the media settles on a popular narrative ("India is unsafe for women") they…

Hard to say how accurate a comparision that is.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-officially-under...

> The National Crime Records Bureau, India’s official source of crime data, is systematically undercounting virtually every crime in India on account of a statistical shortcoming, The Hindu has learnt.

http://newint.org/blog/majority/2012/02/07/dowry-deaths-in-i...

> For every dowry death reported, there are dozens that go unreported. Of the 8,391 reported cases in 2010, although 93.2 per cent were charge-sheeted, the conviction rate was a miserable 33.6 per cent. The murderers and their families get away with it. What’s worse, they go scot free and bring back another bride.

I'd be interested in seeing murder rates for rural versus city areas. I know the tribal areas of Pakistan set up their own alternative courts, and wouldn't be surprised if similar things happened in rural India.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by tomjen3 »

atonse wrote: post #12
TheHypnotist wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It's also not as if these sexual assault cases are not well documented already. I wonder what Uber will say about this.

So what then, an Uber customer would have to just say "yeah ok rapes happen so let me keep taking Uber"? The point is, Uber is claiming to be better than cabbies in that they screen drivers, etc. Clearly they aren't doing anything of the sort. So they are as unsafe as taking any other cab.

Well Uber might still be the safest choice. I can't imagine Indian taxies being very safe in the first place.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by ceejayoz »

RealGeek wrote: post #87
ceejayoz wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you know that more women are raped every year in UK & US than in India? Bullshit. Your link states "does not include cases of rape which go unreported, which are not recorded, and does not account for differing definitions between countries". http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/01/07... > Three-fourths of the perpetrators of India's 24,206 rapes in 2011 are still at large, and that's not even…

Rape cases are under reported even in US. Majority of the rapists in US are also let go free. In fact, the rapists often intimidate the vicitim by hiring expensive lawyers and suing them back for reputation damages.

Agreed, entirely. Neither country's reported rate of rapes accurately reflects the actual number of rapes, so comparing based off those official stats is absurd.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by dntrkv »

bsg75 wrote: post #120
pc86 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice it You're exactly right. So the question becomes, "Is it better to disqualify applicants based on accusation alone, knowing that you'll disqualify some number of innocent people, or is it better to screen on convictions alone, knowing that you could possibly not screen out some guilty folks you otherwise would?"

Which is more profitable? Unfortunately such decisions often made on the basis of profit over ethics.

Screening on convictions alone may be more profitable in the short term but in the long run, as the article here shows, it may end up costing you much more.
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