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Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by locopati »

waps wrote: post #136
lambdadmitry wrote: post #118

Hello there. I live in Russia, too (St-Petersburg, to be precise), and I would like to discuss the issue on a different angle. Russian government is done anyway (economic situation will finish it in a few years), so why bothering? What is more important, I believe, is GitHub's attitude here. You see, GitHub is sending polite-but-firm emails right now, asking users that hosted the file in question to remove it and hin…

This is the strongest argument against democracy I've ever heard. When it comes right down to it, fact is that >50% (and more likely >80%) is in favor of laws against LGBT. At least 50% of the 7 billion humans is in favor of criminalizing freedom of religion. In favor of censorship is probably >75% as well, because when push comes to shove, a large majority of muslims, chinese and russians are in favor of it, as is m…

How is this an argument against democracy? What is your proposed alternative that would be superior?

Can a broad statement like 'the strongest argument against democracy' even be made when democracy takes many forms and has varying degrees of adherence to the principles behind their expression?

What of countries that had laws against racial intermarriage or same-sex marriage and have changed those laws because there was a means for people to instigate change (i.e. democracy)?

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by DanBC »

darklajid wrote: post #133
DanBC wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least one company has been court ordered to block access to the Pirate Bay. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_... > On 13 May 2010, the Hamburg District Court ordered an injunction against CB3Rob Ltd & Co KG (Cyberbunker) and its operator, Mr. Sven Olaf Kamphuis, restraining them from connecting The Pirate Bay site to the Internet.[24] The injunction application was brought by the Motion…

That example (Nazi symbol) gets old.. [1] Can I burn the American Flag or (in your case, if I'm correctly understanding that you're in London) the Union Jack in a public place? What about nudity (no clue in the UK, but I'm still laughing hard about 'nipplegate' to this very day) on TV? Every culture probably sets acceptable limits in what you can show/express/say or do (even the US free speech isn't protecting you fr…

There's no censorship laws about burning the Union flag in a public place.

> I refuse to consider that censorship, to be honest.

I did say it depends how you define censorship. Note that I didn't say this was bad!

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by ep103 »

waps wrote: post #136
lambdadmitry wrote: post #118

Hello there. I live in Russia, too (St-Petersburg, to be precise), and I would like to discuss the issue on a different angle. Russian government is done anyway (economic situation will finish it in a few years), so why bothering? What is more important, I believe, is GitHub's attitude here. You see, GitHub is sending polite-but-firm emails right now, asking users that hosted the file in question to remove it and hin…

This is the strongest argument against democracy I've ever heard. When it comes right down to it, fact is that >50% (and more likely >80%) is in favor of laws against LGBT. At least 50% of the 7 billion humans is in favor of criminalizing freedom of religion. In favor of censorship is probably >75% as well, because when push comes to shove, a large majority of muslims, chinese and russians are in favor of it, as is m…

I agree with everything you said, except for the last few sentences about ISIS. The creation of a "moral enemy" in the middle east was an explicitly acknowledged goal of the neo-conservative wing of the Bush administration, and took some 14 years to accomplish. I strongly suggest watching the BBC's documentary "The Power Of Nightmares" as a good introductory source.

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by Muromec »

znowi wrote: post #32

What a nice attack vector. Deliver a "suicidal" payload to a website, report to Russian authorities and watch it go offline in Russia. It might as well be SO or any other site with user content.

>What a nice attack vector. Deliver a "suicidal" payload to a website, report to Russian authorities and watch it go offline in Russia.

It would go offline after few months. It's government agency, not some use support forum!

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by Muromec »

1gor wrote: post #140

Github is down for Russian developers because some anti-Putin political activists are eager to make a point. It works like this: - they push some content deemed illegal in Russia to a github repo (something like instructions on committing suicide or on growing marijuana). - then they themselves post a complain to the Russian internet regulator, accompanied by the link to illegal content; - the ugly bureaucrats machin…

1. This is not true. It was actually blocked on purpose with head of federal agency speaking about it and posting funny picture.

2. (some) Content in question is work of satire about censorship agency and ridiculous laws written and hosted on github in Feb 2013

3. (some) of the links in question are not even posted by Russian citizens or residents, not even speaking about political activists

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by Muromec »

pluma wrote: post #23

Why are there text files describing methods of suicide on GitHub anyway? From what I can tell they show up in seemingly unrelated repos. Are these just bandwagoning in protest or am I missing something?

>Are these just bandwagoning in protest or am I missing something?

Some are. Some other just host blogs or something with funny satiric poetry.

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by kirillplatonov »

This is shit. Few weeks ago I looks to the situation with "black list" afar. I absolutely wasn't involved and don't believe that this "initiative" will "touch" me someday. Yesterday it happened. Important website that I use everyday was blocked. And now its seriously. I cant access it. My internet provider said that it's a law and he can't help me. Now I need to setup VPN for commit to github. And I already understand that it's temporary solution and the government can forbid VPN too in future.

I really don't now what to do and how to affect the situation. The most fun thing - that 85% of persons in this country now think that "it's just some another porn site was blocked, Putin care us and our children's". Sad reality.

Re: GitHub blocked in Russia

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Post by tormeh »

dasil003 wrote: post #130
tormeh wrote: post #126

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NO! Common misunderstanding among Americans who haven't traveled much. You don't even need to go to Russia. Just go to Mexico and it will give you a small taste of how bad things can get. The only way Russia could be worse is if it had feudal slavery. Ok, there are corrupt people everywhere, but there are often cultural limits on what people will let others and themselves get away with. Those limits are pretty high i…

LOL, you know what they say about assuming right? Turns out I'm half-Brazilian and I currently live in the UK. I spent part of my childhood in the 80s in Brazil so I know a thing or two about corruption. Anyway, not sure what you were responding "NO" to as you explicitly agreed with the only assertion that I actually made rather than the stereotype that jubilantly flowered forth in your mind's eye.

I thought you said the US is as bad as Russia, which is pretty wrong.
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