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Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by afandian »

Kiro wrote: post #127
MichaelGG wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. Microsoft did this for Azure support. I had a question, they redirect you to post on SO. And then the question is closed because it's off topic. Now moving to a dedicated Stack Exchange site would be fine (like AskUbuntu). The software is OK, it's just the idiotic mods and hostile users that make SO suck. I asked a question on Server Fault, and 5 years later someone added a helpful, perfect answer (a new lib…

> telling them off for answering an old question I find this hard to believe. Link?

I'm guessing it was this: http://serverfault.com/questions/23058/linux-equivalent-of-w...

There are a lot of people on Stack Exchange. There's a surprisingly strict adherence to the rules, but it doesn't mean everyone thinks and acts to the same way. Nothing should come as a surprise!

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by cesarb »

MichaelGG wrote: post #106
hoodoof wrote: post #24

Such a bad idea. The format of StackOverflow is very tightly defined. I bet all support questions don't fit that format. Then what? StackOverflow should speak up against companies doing this.

Correct. Microsoft did this for Azure support. I had a question, they redirect you to post on SO. And then the question is closed because it's off topic. Now moving to a dedicated Stack Exchange site would be fine (like AskUbuntu). The software is OK, it's just the idiotic mods and hostile users that make SO suck. I asked a question on Server Fault, and 5 years later someone added a helpful, perfect answer (a new lib…

Strange. There's even a badge (the "Necromancer" badge) for answering an old question: "Answered a question more than 60 days later with score of 5 or more".

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by yAnonymous »

sajt wrote: post #7
kayman wrote: post #2

Microsoft making a lot of moves that are starting surprise the tech community. it will take some time to convert the generation that grew up with the old closed microsoft, but slowly I believe they will have converts.

I think Stack Overflow has been getting worse and worse in recent years. Their community is outright hostile to active discussion. Only directly answerable questions are tolerated. Microsoft is (as always) a few years late to the party.

It has turned into something like Reddit, where many people will do everything for points. Some of them also have a very elitist mindset and are hostile towards new users who make mistakes.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by unwind »

Renaud wrote: post #40
dfar1 wrote: post #30

"With over 40-thousand questions tagged "Internet Explorer", and dozens more asked every day, it has proven to be a great place to find reliable help." The announcement makes it seem that they are proud of how many questions are out there about IE issues.

As of just now: * tag [internet-explorer]: 27,934 questions * tag [google-chrome]: 28,153 questions Since the number of questions is your metric for attributing shame, that surely imply that chrome is much worse than IE, especially considering the long legaccy and larger install base of IE vs Chrome... Or, I don't know, could it be possible that the number of questions reflects more than just how bad a piece of softw…

A 0.8% difference in a measurement this vague is enough to claim something is "much worse" than something else?

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by pjc50 »

jessedhillon wrote: post #69

I don't understand why Microsoft continues to make it's own rendering engine. I get that they need a web browser they can control and distribute with their OS, but why a rendering engine? Especially one that, in my region (SF bay area), runs natively on fewer than 1% of the dev machines I see out there. If somebody were inclined to test their site for IE they'd most likely have to go through the hassle of setting up…

Other way round: they've already got a rendering engine, and a team maintaining it who are keen to keep their jobs. They may be concerned about the LGPL-ness of webkit.

The Bay Area is not the world. Plenty of corporates - MS core market - run IE.

Also, by bringing in a rendering engine, IE will never be better than the competition.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by teh_klev »

paradite wrote: post #129
username223 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "?share=1" guys? Mostly useless.

What exactly does it do? And is this a bad practice?

>What exactly does it do?

It does this:

http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/43179/how-can-i-r...

And it's officially supported:

https://blog.quora.com/Making-Sharing-Better

But you still need to sign up/in in to casually browse.

>And is this a bad practice?

It's pretty user hostile which is why I personally never used the site.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by teh_klev »

sliverstorm wrote: post #103
sajt wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Stack Overflow has been getting worse and worse in recent years. Their community is outright hostile to active discussion. Only directly answerable questions are tolerated. Microsoft is (as always) a few years late to the party.

Microsoft will almost certainly get the power to moderate their support section, no?

Nope, not at all. MSFT employees will have to earn reputation just like all the other users. I imagine there's already a few on the site that have gained the usual kinda privileges - vote to close, downvote, flagging etc. And there'll be non-MSFT users who'll be IE tag specialists and already familiar with what is considered an acceptable IE question to ask.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by tkubacki »

ygra wrote: post #130
tkubacki wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this was that one. Being honest this may not be following guidelines - so I deleted question. Maybe someone should create Stackoverflow like site for more open questions.

It's a very poor question, indeed. And downvotes and the close doesn't surprise me. Hobo Sapiens' last comment actually details that quite well. I also wouldn't expect the dev team to comment on that at all. When they are able to share whether something is being done, then the status on the page will change, but before that they'll make no comments or commitment on anything.

Agreed on question part.

Regarding IE itself: strongly disagree - marking most of new tech as "under consideration" is poor communication management at best - if they are not interested in sharing anything they should add another status. This is misleading.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by teh_klev »

MichaelGG wrote: post #106
hoodoof wrote: post #24

Such a bad idea. The format of StackOverflow is very tightly defined. I bet all support questions don't fit that format. Then what? StackOverflow should speak up against companies doing this.

Correct. Microsoft did this for Azure support. I had a question, they redirect you to post on SO. And then the question is closed because it's off topic. Now moving to a dedicated Stack Exchange site would be fine (like AskUbuntu). The software is OK, it's just the idiotic mods and hostile users that make SO suck. I asked a question on Server Fault, and 5 years later someone added a helpful, perfect answer (a new lib…

Your post is a "recommend me something to do this" rather than a "I have this specific issue".

One of the problems with these types of questions is that they attract "lists of things" answers which are mostly only backed up by links to external sites. Eventually these links rot away and the answers never get any proper love to keep things fresh.

Early on SO/SF/SU tried to combat this:

http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-sho...

The chastisement was probably unfair because John Ranger did attempt to summarise the linked landing page content, however the question probably should have been closed according to [0] to deter more link-only answers:

[0[: http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic

and it is not about…

Product, service, or learning material recommendations

YMMV whether you think this is fair nor not, but it's the site/network rules.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by stinos »

andrewstuart wrote: post #89

I created www.NotConstructive.com a few days ago in response to some of the challenges of posting to Stack Overflow. Launch announcement: http://fourlightyears.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/notconstructiv...

Was this some kind of relaunch then? What happened?

HN post from over a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6062876

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