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Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by jgalt212 »

Ologn wrote: post #121
api wrote: post #42

Don't disagree with the market numbers, but there's a problem with mobile. It is best illustrated by the fact that I csnnot develop a mobile app on a mobile device. There won't be any "convergence" until mobile OSes are uncrippled. I personally see a three device ecosystem. Mobile will cut into PC on the low end, but it's really growing into a space not served by PC or server. Computing in general is expanding.

> I cannot develop a mobile app on a mobile device. You can develop an Android app on an Android device. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui

It's probably better stated:

cannot effectively develop a mobile app on a mobile device.

Productivity largely correlates with screensize.

https://www.google.com/#q=productivity+screen+size

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by jgalt212 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #49
pfitzsimmons wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the biomechanics, it does seem like a keyboard + mouse + >=20" screen is the optimal setup for doing actual work. A keyboard is simply the most efficient way to get information into a computer (the exception is that some graphics editors work might work better with a multitouch screen, it will be interesting to see if someone builds a touch-first photoshop killer). That said, there might be a convergen…

Your assumption, which I think is wrong, is that WPM (or maybe APM) is the bottleneck for most work. I suspect reading/comprehension, problem solving, planning, usability, and access to the right tool, discovery of tools, responsiveness of tools, teamwork... These things are much more likely to be the bottleneck. As a programmer, I suspect I could probably type the entirity of a days work into the computer in a half…

Yes, but it takes you the rest of the day to edit and test the 30 minutes of typing you are ready to ship. Presumably, most of this testing or editing would involve a fair amount of keyboard interaction.

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by marcosdumay »

sinofsky wrote: post #54

At every moment of disruption in technology people saying that the new technology doesn't replace the incumbent. By definition disruptive technologies are less functional and inadequate "replacements". First, folks tend to talk about all the things that the new technology can't do that the old one does do. In the Steve Jobs interview at All Things D referenced in the comments, he goes on to talk about how software ne…

Yes, all this is true and recurrent... except when it isn't.

The theory is that disruptive technologies start as toys that can't handle the original workload, not that toys that can't handle the workload become disruptive technologies.

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by skolor »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #101
pbreit wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that easily solved with logins?

It's a psychological thing, not a technical problem.

To expand on it, its also a security thing. Having my phone with a network of personal contacts and my computer with more work related data means a separate of attack surface.

At this point, if you have anything worth securing, its probably a good bet that your device will get compromised in the next 5 years. Compartmentalized devices helps with that significantly, since it means only partial compromises.

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by coldtea »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #126
coldtea wrote: post #119

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And they also didn't realized that it would be the iPad and not Android tablets. The latter have not been making any inroads...

You need to think outside of the US. It may not be official Google Android, but low cost generic Android tablets are massive in Asia. Most of them are low spec devices but that's all you need if all you're doing is watching movies and a bit of web surfing.

Well, I spent my time in S.E. Asia and people either don't have a tablet at all, or more frequently they have an iPad. For every Samsumg I see there are like 2 or 3 iPads.

Now, I'm in perhaps the richer country of the whole region.

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by pbreit »

UrMomReadsHN wrote: post #73
pbreit wrote: post #33

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Well, I guess you've completely missed that it's not about improving work, it's about improving non-work such as entertainment, leisure and healthcare. Work computers have remained relatively static by comparison in capabilities, numbers, usage and usage type.

Perhaps it is just me but I include "getting stuff done" as part of "work." Perhaps it is just me but I find a smartphone incredibly useless for anything but the most passive of tasks. If I want to "do something" I use a computer. "Something" being defined very loosely. Do rather than consume. Even doing something for leisure since 99% of "doing" tasks are very difficult to do on a phone for me - if that makes any se…

I guess if you spend most of your time at a desk. But that sounds dreadful to me.

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by tashoecraft »

marknutter wrote: post #18
pfitzsimmons wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the biomechanics, it does seem like a keyboard + mouse + >=20" screen is the optimal setup for doing actual work. A keyboard is simply the most efficient way to get information into a computer (the exception is that some graphics editors work might work better with a multitouch screen, it will be interesting to see if someone builds a touch-first photoshop killer). That said, there might be a convergen…

> That said, there might be a convergence where mobile devices learn to run desktop software, and can be docked to a mouse/keyboard/monitor. I never understand this prediction. That's a bit like saying I don't need a car because I could just dock my bicycle into some sort of enclosure with four wheels. Tablets, smartphones, and laptops/desktops were all built for different purposes and cannot be full replacements for…

I don't believe you are truly understanding the potential. Nor is that even close to proper analogy. You are presuming that all of the desktop software will be running on the mobile device, which will need all this power and can't possibly handle it.

I would instead focus on the work done with virtual machines. If instead I had a subscription service to access a virtual machine that had the ability to run any application I wanted, streamed to my mobile device that would then display it anywhere I wanted. My mobile device could connect me to any amount of computing power I need (in reason and with a large enough budget).

Why on earth would I buy this whole separate machine to do this? My personal computing device that I carry around with me everywhere could allow me to perform any function possible, I could have a full desktop computer anywhere I wanted as long as I have a internet connection and a screen.

Gaming could take place anywhere as well. You wouldn't need a gaming rig, the processing power would be handled elsewhere whilst your device handles the graphics processing and streaming.

Internet speeds will have to increase exponentially, but are we really that short sighted to state that personal computers will never be replaced by mobile devices? Yes it may not happen tomorrow, but it will come

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Psylocyber wrote: post #127
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #111

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That's a cynical view. How about: people of every age and level of experience bring what they have to the discussion, and learn from one another. You could do that too, by gently adding your experience to the mix. Doing it without disaffecting your peers gives you extra points.

Yes I am very cynical. Good catch. The rest of your response is static and not applicable. You don't have information to back up your response, plus it's wrong.

Its also 'static' to assert that people not like you are dumbheads. Not productive; not even right. You want a discussion, you pitch it at the level of the others in the discussion. There's a large spectrum, and always newbies coming to the arena (or the arena is dead).

Re: Mobile is Eating the World

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Post by toomuchtodo »

coldtea wrote: post #146
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to think outside of the US. It may not be official Google Android, but low cost generic Android tablets are massive in Asia. Most of them are low spec devices but that's all you need if all you're doing is watching movies and a bit of web surfing.

Well, I spent my time in S.E. Asia and people either don't have a tablet at all, or more frequently they have an iPad. For every Samsumg I see there are like 2 or 3 iPads. Now, I'm in perhaps the richer country of the whole region.

Your anecdotal evidence appears wrong:

"Worldwide sales of tablets to end users reached 195.4 million units in 2013, a 68 percent increase on 2012, according to Gartner, Inc. While sales of iOS tablets grew in the fourth quarter of 2013, iOS's share declined to 36 percent in 2013. The tablet growth in 2013 was fueled by the low-end smaller screen tablet market, and first time buyers; this led Android to become the No. 1 tablet operating system (OS), with 62 percent of the market (see Table 1)."

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2674215

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-apple-ipad-t...

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