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Re: Plastc Card

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Post by dublinben »

dsjoerg wrote: post #127
jMyles wrote: post #35

What need does this address? Are cards taking up too much room in people's lives? This solution doesn't reduce the height or width of the encumbrance at all, and reduces the depth only by n*.76mm, where n is the number of cards that will be replaced. I don't get it. Also, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheZenOfProgramming

For me, the remote-wipe ability is a killer app. Currently, when I lose a physical card, I have to go through a painful get-a-new-card procedure that involves going to my major websites and giving them my new card #. With remote wipe, when I lose my card I just remote-wipe it and order a new one. Also, this card will warn me when I'm too far from it so I won't be as likely to leave it behind.

This can be avoided today by using one card for subscriptions and other recurring payments, and another card for physical purchases.

I do something similar already, where I never carry around the debit card associated with my primary checking account.

Re: Plastc Card

#142

Post by billyhoffman »

The websites for both Plastc Card and Coin do the "animate images and diagrams as users scroll" pattern.

I want to punch the designer in the face who ever thought this was a good idea.

Re: Plastc Card

#143

Post by dbecks »

billyhoffman wrote: post #142

The websites for both Plastc Card and Coin do the "animate images and diagrams as users scroll" pattern. I want to punch the designer in the face who ever thought this was a good idea.

That feeling, that you're feeling is actually delight.

Re: Plastc Card

#144

Post by dublinben »

mahyarm wrote: post #130
untog wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This and Vessyl feel like the harbingers of Silicon Valley doom. Products that solve no meaningful problem and cost orders of magnitude more than their 'dumb' alternatives. A waste of good brains.

They are targeting women with this device. Look at all the marketing materials. Female main characters, a woman is in the facial recognition part, 'you shouldn't buy this for yourself, buy it for your female wife', clothing shops & restaurants, etc.

The women in my life would find this incredibly useful. Several popular iPhone cases can hold a couple cards. This product would allow you to carry your phone, ID, and every other card in one compact package.

Re: Plastc Card

#145

Post by mjg59 »

From the fraud perspective:

One of the costs associated with fraudulent card use is turning a set of number into a physical object. Several retailers will avoid the "Just write the number onto an existing card" approach by verifying that the last four digits on the card match the number on the magstripe, which increases the cost per cloned card by a reasonable margin. Using Plastc instead would break that assumption. It'll be interesting to see how merchants react.

But, more problematically, this answer:

> What happens if one of the cards stored on my Plastc Card is declined?

> The acceptance of any transaction has nothing to do with your Plastc Card. In this event, we recommend you contact your bank.

seems like a problem if the auth failure that comes back is one that requests that the merchant retain the card…

Re: Plastc Card

#146

Post by JTon »

bradfa wrote: post #85
yincrash wrote: post #62

The ridiculous number of features on this card makes it really hard to believe that an unknown startup has the resources to pull it off in the form factor as thin as a credit card. Coin still hasn't gotten there yet (they claim it works at 85% of the locations they visited). Adding more features including wireless charging coils and unknown method for duplicating chip and pin makes me really skeptical that this will…

The microcontroller, smart card interface, eInk screen, bluetooth capability (including antenna), NFC (including antenna), and touch screen all seem reasonable and there isn't anything earth shattering tech wise (but probably a customized asic using off the shelf bits). Connecting this all together on some fiberglass or plastic substrate is hard, and expensive to tool for (I'd expect), but definitely possible. The in…

In the tech specs they claim a 30-day charge. No other details. I wonder if that's the equivalent of a cellphone "standby" spec.

Re: Plastc Card

#148

Post by easytiger »

untog wrote: post #139
easytiger wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that satire? I'm not kidding... To a British mindset that video on https://www.myvessyl.com/ feels exactly like satire.

Sadly not. A cup that tells you what you just poured into it is a real product.

Their argument that knowing your hydration quotient is more important to fitness & wellbeing than knowing your calorie intake should get them pummelled. I don't care if they have an MD on their staff.

For a start if you care about health & fitness to a degree at all you simply wouldn't drink Red Bull, beer to any amount that it makes a difference. If you do it will be in a binge scenario.

I also use the same technique in debate by dealing with likely criticism by mentioning it and countering with a weak counter point. In this case that is the use of the app to enter drinks you would never pour into a horrid big bottle.

I also wonder about the tech they use to determine the liquid content. I'm gonna guess its not that clever. Using light analysis vs a DB of known drinks or something likely to be wrong.

Re: Plastc Card

#149

Post by JTon »

mattmaroon wrote: post #88
jMyles wrote: post #35

What need does this address? Are cards taking up too much room in people's lives? This solution doesn't reduce the height or width of the encumbrance at all, and reduces the depth only by n*.76mm, where n is the number of cards that will be replaced. I don't get it. Also, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheZenOfProgramming

I have a lot of cards. Between gift cards, loyalty cards, and credit cards, I have at least 20-30 that I'd like to carry on me. I end up leaving cards I don't use every day in my car (and am always paranoid about the valet as a result). I use a KeyRing app for loyalty cards, but it's a pain and requires me often typing numbers into things. I often find myself in a Starbucks, realizing I left the Starbucks gift card i…

For loyalty cards, why not use passbook or equivalent?

Re: Plastc Card

#150

Post by Animats »

The problem is doing this without compromising security. There are at least the following problems:

- Remote RF-based attacks on the card.

- Attacks on the phone app.

- Leaks at the point credentials are transferred into the card. It turns out that most chip and pin cards do not use a public key/private key pair, with the private key inside the card. Visa actually recommends against this. (http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/bulletin-chip-recomme...) So getting the credentials off a chip and pin card is possible.

- Leaks from the servers at "Plastc".

- Customer liability beyond US law limits for bank credit and debit cards. (What if it's Plastc's fault? The bank blames Plastc, and Plastc dumps the liability on the customer, citing their "it's never our fault" EULA).

- The device is a great tool for "carders". Previously, "carders" using stolen credit card info had to make sure nobody saw them putting a white card in the ATM. Using a stolen credit card required access to convincing-looking blank cards and an embossing machine. Now, with Plastc, anybody with a list of stolen card numbers can easily create fake cards. At least if businesses are willing to accept Plastc cards.

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