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Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by jokoon »

aschampion wrote: post #69
jokoon wrote: post #62

if only they could serve warfare tested windows drivers. I can't believe when people tell me my macbook pro 2009 with 2GB of ram is a "little too cheap" for mavericks or xcode 5. I can't even install windows on it because the superdrive is busted. I managed to install ubuntu, but there's ALWAYS a wifi/touchpad/heating issue. Not to mention the hardship getting some C++ project working on xcode. (like ogre for instanc…

Then don't use xcode as your C++ IDE. Xcode is for developing in the Apple ecosystem, but there are plenty of other options on OSX if that's not your target. Nearly every C++ toolchain and editor available to you in linux is available in OSX as well through brew/macports(/fink). Also windows can be installed from USB nearly as easily as ubuntu.

> Then don't use xcode as your C++ IDE.

if the native IDE is not adequate, I don't think I'll find anything else. Most native apple things are cocoa-centric.

also the last version of Ogre3D engine is not even available, because of XCode and how apple builds its stuff. I hate hacking through galaxies of makefiles. I've lost patience :) It's just exhausting to rebuild everything everytime there's a xcode or OSX upgrade. I'm done. Microsoft supports backward compatility much better.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by coldtea »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #118
swombat wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it makes sense. Other manufacturers don't release new products until their current line-up is thoroughly obsolete. The way they achieve that is by releasing stuff that's already obsolete on day of launch, but you can't argue with the ethics!

I've been living in the future with my Surface Pro for a while now. Apple won't catch up to that until they can lock down the supply chain.

>I've been living in the future with my Surface Pro for a while now.

So Philip K Dick was right after all, the future is a dystopia?

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by coldtea »

frik wrote: post #99
coldtea wrote: post #88

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> Why doesn't Apple ship MacBooks with optional anti-glare display anymore? Is a third party anti-glare matte screen protector useful? Because it was not of very high demand, plus it's awful for color accuracy and deep blacks, not to mention that it destroys a lot of the niceties of having a retina screen -- it's literary adding a diffusion material over your screen, that besides reducing glare also makes it more blu…

> turn the display away from a light source Working outside in nature (country side) or on a train/bus (next to a window), a glare display doesn't work well. I like to work outside under the shadow of trees and the wind constantly blows through the leaves and shake them around. A business notebook with mate display works fine in such conditions and the colors are good and not blurry at all (one can always attach a hi…

>I like to work outside under the shadow of trees and the wind constantly blows through the leaves and shake them around.

I don't think that describes much of the population. But if it does describe you, just avoid having the sun on your screen. Either find a shade around noon, or keep the display against the sun at other times.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by peterwiese »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #135
underlines wrote: post #129

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And I love the fact that the "upgrade path" of Mac users is kind of "buy it, use it until the next gen comes, throw it away". Thats super cool and totally fits into the common starbucks customer, wearing neon colored running shoes while listening music on beats head phones.

Except for the fact that macs maintain their value, so selling your last-gen Mac and upgrading to the new one is pretty cheap, all things considered.

that's really the cherry on top of all of it. my 50 cents are, that all the ecosystem hype in the desktop space sides with os x. all the new fancy tools are done for os x and ios and android. i'm sure 99% at google, fb, github, stackoverflow etc. use macs, while the other 1% still believes that thinkpads are still the same thing as they used to be 10 years ago. and the those on thinkpads probably use linux (ubuntu, mint, elementary etc.) because honestly, who can live without a decent shell? why do windows users still bother?

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by extra88 »

bfwi wrote: post #10

For those of you who choose Pros over Airs; why does a Pro serve you better than an Air? Is it because it's your only machine, and you need the hardware to be beefy?

Comparing only the 13" models, you get 2 Thunderbolt ports so you can use an external display and Thunderbolt Ethernet adapter at the same time. Actually if you use HDMI for your display you can use a Thunderbolt drive as well. The 13" Retina is only .5 lbs heavier than the 13" Air. It still has integrated video but it's a generation better than the current Air's.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by frik »

Artemis2 wrote: post #136
coldtea wrote: post #79

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> External drives are pretty unreliable. It's more probable the external drive will die before the laptops internal one. Citation needed. There's no reason for the external drive to "die before the laptops internal one". Not only that: you can actually buy the very same drives that are in your laptop for external use if you like.

Agree, most of the time external drives are cases with USB/eSATA adapters and an "internal" hard drive. The only difference with a PC is that it's easier to drop the external drive.

That was correct ten years ago.

Nowadays the external drives of course contain 3.5" or 2.5" hard drives. But the inbuilt hard discs come with little or no warrenty, are "eco"-drives that are meant to be used only occasionally (not 24x7) and spin with only 5400 rpm.

Internal hard drives for personal/business (desktop, notebook) come with up to 4 or 5 years warrenty and spin with 7200 or 11000 rpm and have a better internal cache.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by underlines »

vten wrote: post #133
underlines wrote: post #129

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And I love the fact that the "upgrade path" of Mac users is kind of "buy it, use it until the next gen comes, throw it away". Thats super cool and totally fits into the common starbucks customer, wearing neon colored running shoes while listening music on beats head phones.

If one can afford it then why not? It's everywhere, not just gadget industry. People buy new models of premium cars when they come out, people buy a new pair of $600 shoes when new collection arrives. Those people don't quite fit to your description of a common Starbucks customer.

Environment anybody? god damn. Do you want to throw away everything when it's still usable, just because it's cool to have the new thing?

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by jedanbik »

andyfleming wrote: post #42
jedanbik wrote: post #38

I'll upgrade when I start seeing 32 GB RAM options.

Why do you need 32 GB RAM in a laptop? (not criticizing, just asking) I've found with the speed of these SSDs, memory swap is almost unnoticeable anyway.

I don't need it now, but I like it when my equipment lasts as long as possible. I've seen other manufacturers creating laptops with 32 GB RAM, so I know that it can be done.

If I'm going to buy a state of the art computer, I want it to have state of the art specs, know what I'm saying? I think it's inevitable that 32 GB RAM on a MacBook will be a thing, so that's what I'm waiting for.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by mattlutze »

_delirium wrote: post #83
mattlutze wrote: post #74

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"cold data" from OP was probably a key factor. They're responding to a different philosophy. Take music: The main case is generally "I want to listen to music that I like" or "I want to listen to (specific) music from (artist)" of some sort. I have 150GB of music, but neither of those cases require most of it as most of it is only accessed very rarely. The music file storage can stay somewhere else, for occasional re…

> Take music: The main case is generally "I want to listen to music that I like" Sure, but that's not the same every day. I don't want to shuffle my music collection around constantly; I'd rather just have it, so if on a trip I'm reminded of $bandname and want to listen to an album, I don't have to futz with downloading it on hotel wifi. To me the cognitive overhead of manually operating some kind of caching scheme,…

I'd be willing to put money on the general person never needing more than a small portion of their library but for the rare exception, at which point a free Scroble-ing service or YouTube suffice. If you reflect, are you really going back to the depths of your music library to find track 11 off that one less-popular (insert band name) album?

It's simply the philosophy that most of the stuff we keep with us on our TB hard drive laptops isn't actually stuff we need to keep with us.

Obviously Apple considers your philosophy to be an edge case to their intended business model and would rather not offer you moderately priced options to upgrade, which is certainly a shame.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by mattlutze »

Spearchucker wrote: post #82
mattlutze wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"cold data" from OP was probably a key factor. They're responding to a different philosophy. Take music: The main case is generally "I want to listen to music that I like" or "I want to listen to (specific) music from (artist)" of some sort. I have 150GB of music, but neither of those cases require most of it as most of it is only accessed very rarely. The music file storage can stay somewhere else, for occasional re…

I have a small (256Gb) SSD drive in my Surface Pro 2. I have a 1Tb drive I occasionally carry around with me that has "everything". It's a mirror of my 1TB drive in my desktop at home. Whilst I love the 10" form factor and the light weight of the Surface there are times where I need something obscure and rarely accessed, and don't have my drive with me. This is frustrating beyond description. Also not sure about the…

Interestingly the data loss argument wasn't aimed at you, but at someone arguing they just needed their laptop with a big HD and nothing else.

There's many options for providing yourself access to the desktop at home from a mobile location, at which point you can access those obscure files.

It does seem that the tablet isn't a great product vehicle at the moment for a Tb portable desktop.

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