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The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #107

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To be honest if find it kind of a dick move that Valve choose to have you arrested instead of making you work your ass off to make up for your mistake. It is justified what you did was illegal and not cool but they had the chance to turn it into something positive.

Should we not arrest master car theives because they are exceptionally talented? It's not unreasonable that their talent could be fit into some productive use. What about people who burglarize homes? Who fix soccer/football matches? Shoplifters? Assuming nonviolence in these cases. Would you preume perpetrators of all of those crimes just have to "work their asses off" to make up for "mistakes?" How do you arbitraril…

Nope, we should not just arrest them. However, they should all be punished in some way.

'prison' and 'punishment' aren't synonyms. Make someone work their ass off to repay a crime IS punishment. As is locking them up, but by doing that, you severely decrease the chances of that person ever being a productive member of the society again.

Of course, should that person break the terms agreed upon, then I guess prison time is warranted as an additional punishment. And even in this case, with non violent criminals, in a setting where they can still work.

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #83

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Major parts needed rewrite to not make it so easy to develop cheats for the game. If the hackers would have the source, they would not even need to reverse engineer the engine to build their aimbots/wallhacks.

That does make zero sense.

It was a fear years ago when Quake was open sourced [1]. In Valve's case, the programmers probably had to audit all the source code in order to reduce possible exploits.

[1] http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1&time=1999122...

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #97

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It's a kinda strange thing. Before the digital age kids like myself just did not have access to many things that could get them into so much trouble. I caused my share of mischief when I was a kid, just like most boys will do. Probably the worst tools I had at my disposal were eggs or snowballs to throw at cars. The opportunity for me to reach out from my bedroom and cause damage to a multi-national corporation or go…

I wonder what % of HN people never made anything illegal, like: * Hack into a remove computer server/friends PC. * Broke a WEP/WPA wifi network to gain access * Performed MiTM to see what kind of data can sniff * Performed brute-force dictionary attack without being asked. * Shared illegal digital material with friends I feel it's about ~ 3%.

I would think the first 4 together is probably a bit more than 3%, but the last one alone is probably >40%

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #125

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I don't really think so. If I was working on a game for years, only to find out someone broke into my network, planted keyloggers on lots of my computers, and stole all of the source code for my game, I'd be interested in arresting the perpetrator as well. The game was practically Gabe's second baby. Plus, there was no way Gabe could have known that Axel was 1) truly apologetic or 2) wasn't the one who also published…

Well the damage was already there wasn't much he or anybody else could do about that so giving the guy a chance to make up for his mistake wouldn't have hurt. Then again I'm sure he was really pissed so I can't blame him for doing what he did.

> giving the guy a chance to make up for his mistake wouldn't have hurt.

That presumes you are 100% confident that the guy is completely remorseful and will no longer do anything wrong. Given past behavior, why should Valve have had that confidence?

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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"Have you any idea how lucky you are that we got to you before you got on that plane?" The difference in the way he was treated by police and the justice system (and how different it is than what we've come to expect in America) is what struck me the most about this story.

Same. They let him grab something to eat and even smoke a cigarette before they brought him in. Then he gets two years of probation. It all feels very reasonable to me. Compare that to the $1 million fine, 35 years in prison (followed by 3 years of supervised release) Aaron Swartz was facing by downloading documents anyone can access just by virtue of connecting to the campus Wifi. There is definitely something reall…

>There is definitely something really off here.

It's almost as though, by treating criminals so harshly as we do here ("tough on crime" is a popular slogan for politicians), that instead of reducing crime, we reduce our society's recognition of each individual's humanity and value, and thus cause crime to rise.

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #91

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I have friends in various parts of the industry - F2P, AAA, mobile, and indie. The consensus amongst my friends in game development is that it doesn't pay well for the amount of work they're doing, but it's what they enjoy doing so they're willing to tolerate it. I should also mention that I am a bit of an anomaly - I'm an AngularJS expert, which seems to be in extremely high demand right now. I'm making around $160k…

Wow, thanks for the salary datapoint! Do you live in a high cost of living area like California, New York, etc (anywhere it costs $2k/mo for a 1 bedroom) or a less expensive area?

Silicon Valley, recently moved from Washington, DC - I could have easily nabbed compensation for a little less around Washington, DC for what I do though. My move out west is for largely personal reasons.

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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Police in the US don't have to tell you what they're doing up until the point they decide to exercise their power (i.e. searches or arrests) either, last time I checked. They can ask you to go somewhere and you can voluntarily comply or choose not to.

So you are OK with women police officers dressing up as prostitutes to attract potential costumers and then arresting them on the spot ? That's extremely twisted. There's a reason why in many countries police officers HAVE to wear uniforms.

Yes? I'm pretty okay with this. I'm okay with police going undercover, too, to bust up gangs. It turns out that policework is more than just standing in a pretty uniform.

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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Police in the US don't have to tell you what they're doing up until the point they decide to exercise their power (i.e. searches or arrests) either, last time I checked. They can ask you to go somewhere and you can voluntarily comply or choose not to.

So you are OK with women police officers dressing up as prostitutes to attract potential costumers and then arresting them on the spot ? That's extremely twisted. There's a reason why in many countries police officers HAVE to wear uniforms.

Which countries are you talking of, may I ask?

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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post #114

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> Compare that to the $1 million fine, 35 years in prison (followed by 3 years of supervised release) Aaron Swartz was facing Swartz was NOT facing anywhere near 35 years in prison. He was facing, if he went to trail and lost on all charges, and the court decided that he had caused a large amount of monetary damage, around 7 years. If he had taken the plea bargain that was on the table, he was facing a few months. Pr…

Unbelievable. >Swartz was NOT facing anywhere near 35 years in prison. You know why people keep using that number? Because that's the number the attorney's office itself used in its own press release. That's why. But OK, let's be reasonable here. I'll fix it: >"Compare that to the $1 million fine, up to 35 years in prison (followed by 3 years of supervised release) Aaron Swartz was facing" There fixed it. Happy?? I'm…

Macspoofing wrote:

    You know why people keep using that number? Because
    that's the number the attorney's office itself used
    in its own press release. That's why. But OK, let's
    be reasonable here. I'll fix it:

    "Compare that to the $1 million fine, up to 35 years
    in prison (followed by 3 years of supervised
    release) Aaron Swartz was facing"

    There fixed it. Happy??
If you had bothered to read the references that were in the comment I linked to, you would know that prosecutor press releases are not useful in these matters. This is the algorithm they use for coming up with a number:

    years = 0
    foreach charge as c
        years += maximum_sentence_someone_can_get_for(c)
Note that there is nothing in there about the particular defendant or the particular instance of c that defendant is accused of. Each charge has a sentencing range from probation up to several years in prison. The judge does not have free reign to pick from within that range. The Federal Sentencing Guidelines set a maximum based on the defendant's prior record and based on the details of the particular instance of the crime at hand and on the damages done.

Note also that the press release algorithm just adds these up for all charges. In reality, related charges are grouped together under the Federal Sentencing Guidelines. If you are convicted on more than one charge in the same sentencing group, you are only actually sentenced for whichever one gives the longest sentence.

    I'm sure from your armchair perspective, you can
    find nuance in saying that he wasn't __likely__
    going to get 35 years, instead, he'd get a quick 7.
    Yet, I think if you're in that position, you may
    still be looking at that 35 or 50 year number. The
    sentencing judge could have made an example out of
    him as well, no? It's not like never happens. And of
    course, the best outcome is that he's looking at 7 +
    . Justice!
No, 7 years was not the best outcome. It was the worst outcome. It was the outcome if the judge decided to make an example of him. This is not the armchair perspective. This is the perspective of anyone who is familiar with the Federal Sentencing Guidelines, and how they are used.

You could have been one of those people, if you had bothered to read Orin Kerr's incredibly detailed analysis of the law in this case that was cited in the comment I linked to.

    Of course this raises another relevant question. Why
    is it that prosecutors like to load-up on charges to
    get their nice maximums? Is it so that their office
    can do those great press releases extolling how
    tough on crime they are?
Answered in the references I gave. Too bad you didn't read them.

    Or maybe to bully the defendants into taking
    whatever deal they cook-up in order to get another
    notch on their conviction belt? If you think 7 years
    (here's your nice, reasonable almost-a-decade
    number, happy?) is what the law calls for, why not
    charge him for 7 years?
Up to this point, you were simply being willfully ignorant. Now you just being dumb. Defendants who have not dealt with federal charges before, and so have had no occasion to learn about the Federal Sentencing Guidelines and how prosecutor press releases are way overflow, will learn this as soon as they talk to their lawyer after being charged.

        If he had taken the plea bargain that was on the
        table, he was facing a few months.

    That's right, he didn't, and then the prosecutor
    loaded up 35 years of charges and pulled the plea
    bargain off the table. Because why? To teach the
    next guy to not be so uppity and force them to
    cow-tow to prosecutor demands?
The plea bargain offer for a few months sentence was on the table until the very end.

Re: The boy who stole Half Life 2 source code (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police in the US don't have to tell you what they're doing up until the point they decide to exercise their power (i.e. searches or arrests) either, last time I checked. They can ask you to go somewhere and you can voluntarily comply or choose not to.

So you are OK with women police officers dressing up as prostitutes to attract potential costumers and then arresting them on the spot ? That's extremely twisted. There's a reason why in many countries police officers HAVE to wear uniforms.

Why is it twisted?
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