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Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you are misinformed. Google wipes your slate clean, and you can try again in 6-12 months.

Did you actually experience that or you just heard about it?

I have heard of people that have applied for jobs at google multiple times and had interviews a couple times over the years before they got a job there.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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post #22

I'm still waiting on proof from Snowden as to Apple/Google/Facebook's direct, illegal cooperation with the NSA. So far, all I've seen proof of is compliance with warrants(which admittedly are questionable, but Google has a direct financial gain in fighting them, not helping them), claims that they've fought them, and evidence that the NSA is both tapping the trunk as well as decrypting SSL'd communications.

> Google has a direct financial gain in fighting them Wait, what? Google has a direct financial gain in fighting warrants? How do you figure?

My opinion would be: We trust them with our data, if they prove untrustworthy (ultimately) we'd stop using their service/giving them the data they need.

Some already have stopped, of course.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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post #20

> We witnessed Google sending cease and desist letters to the developers and maintainers of the popular Android CyanogenMod for violating some patents by modifying open source elements of an open source licensed project Taking into account that this is not what happened between Google and Cyanogen I doubt about the knowledge of him

He doesn't even get the phrase "Don't be evil" right. He writes "Don't do evil" multiple times.

Then he is surprised that google reads email. How else are they supposed to find out if something is spam or not if they don't read it? And email isn't secure in the first place. Anyone that doesn't know that shouldn't be up for a technical job at an internet-based company in the first place.

It seems like his complaint is that google allegedly turned emails over to the government. Well then why is he bringing up the distraction of "google reads my mom's email!!!"?

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

#144

Perhaps a few people don't understand why OP takes this so seriously. This is the 'long game', the game for the betterment of human existence. (Cliche? yes, true enough? - probably) If you still feel these huge corporations have our best interests at heart, you are being a touch naive. They are not 'evil' ofc, but they're probably not the best idea for the future.

We live in a capitalist world.

Corporations are the natural extension.

So, your choices are: go Amish, go Entrepreneur, or pick the least bad Corporations.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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I mean, I get that he's trying to make a point here, and he clearly feels as strongly about this as he's written. But it sounds like an idealistic 13-year-old wrote the whole diatribe: "Boo, how dare you you big jerk spy. Spying on my mom and friends. You just want money. Like a big fat bully jerk."

Seriously? All corporations are in pursuit of profit. I get the underlying issue he has, but only through the context of growing up with Google and seeing them grow to what they are now. His post is littered with tons of hard to believe idealistic BS.

Berating them for not closing down their service like Lavabit? Are you kidding? "Yes, let's shut down our 15+ year old company, one of the most profitable and successful in the world, just to prove a point" -- surely that's the rational thing to do. I'm not a fan of Google's "spying", but you need to look at the situation from the lense of this being how they (and Facebook, and probably any other web-based company that had the clout) are seizing a competitive advantage that almost no one else can provide. People are feeding them petabytes of data, and it's in their best interest to turn that information into financial gain. Yes, I think a big side-effect of that they appear to be intrusive and "evil", but to pretend that the company is the issue, and that only Google would take advantage of such a situation is comical, and incredibly naive. The writer of the article surely can understand that any other entity with such great access to user information would use it.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

#146
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, Google's activities are "evil" because they intentionally profile their consumers through parsing all their personal data (email, shopping history, etc). Furthermore, Google chooses to spy on their users through a matter that allows the NSA to collect entire profiles for Google's users. Google does this mainly for the money involved.

Agreed. I also have no visibility into the data Google has gathered about me, or any way of telling them to delete all the data they have on me.

https://www.google.com/dashboard

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

#147
post #30

The primary reason I won't work for Google is because I'm nowhere near smart enough. But I like to tell myself that the ethical shortcuts they've taken in pursuit of the almighty dollar are a good secondary reason. It's just that I don't need a secondary reason, so yay, consequence-free ethics!

I won't work for them because they're increasingly becoming more and more evil. As an example, they've been secretly building ad profiles of Google Apps for Education student users even if ads were turned off by the administrator to show them ads on other Google sites. They give schools free Chromebooks and all, but they should atleast declare what kind of profiling they're doing to the students who are forced to use…

You might be interested to hear that e-mail scanning for the creating profiles for advertisements was killed a few days ago for Google Apps for Education. They are also ending it for Google Apps for Business and the grandfathered free accounts:

http://googleenterprise.blogspot.de/2014/04/protecting-stude...

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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post #45
post #30

The primary reason I won't work for Google is because I'm nowhere near smart enough. But I like to tell myself that the ethical shortcuts they've taken in pursuit of the almighty dollar are a good secondary reason. It's just that I don't need a secondary reason, so yay, consequence-free ethics!

Although I agree with the thrust of your comment, re. intelligence, I will nevertheless downvote you for being petulant.

This (GP) current top comment is an indirect ad-hominem and taking valuable real estate in this page. Up voting you.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

#149
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The response seems to conflate a bunch of different things and pretend it's all Google's fault. Snowden didn't blow the whistle on Google. Google can't control what the NSA is tapping or what court orders it gets. Maybe some people inside Google knew about inter-datacenter taps and didn't do anything about it, but once all of Google became aware, they started encrypting those links. Automatic indexing of emai…

Encryption is worthless if you have handed over the cipherkeys... but I guess this might fool some of the public at least.

Doesn't Perfect Forward Secrecy protect against that? I am not sure if Google have implemented it but according to the Wikipedia entry:

This means that the compromise of one message cannot lead to the compromise of others, and also that there is not a single secret value which can lead to the compromise of multiple messages.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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post #145

I mean, I get that he's trying to make a point here, and he clearly feels as strongly about this as he's written. But it sounds like an idealistic 13-year-old wrote the whole diatribe: "Boo, how dare you you big jerk spy. Spying on my mom and friends. You just want money. Like a big fat bully jerk." Seriously? All corporations are in pursuit of profit. I get the underlying issue he has, but only through the context o…

These are posts by workers in the tech field. Instead of dismissing it, you may want to consider if you are (a) a hopelessly powerless entity caught in a socio-economic regime that you can not in any way alter (e.g. "do no evil"); or (b) a member of a sub-set of society that actually has both the power and knowledge to get Nikola-Tesla-wanna-be-Page and fellow travelers to toe the required tech-ethical line.
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