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Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by NextUserName »

enko wrote: post #3

After using the toilet, do you wash your hands, or just wipe them? You've just demonstrated why washing toilets are superior. I cannot understand our misplaced, hollow pride in not adopting something which simply works better. I've even heard some especially crazy people try to say the japanese toilets are "perverted" - the hold tradition has on some people is just insane. Japanese toilets are simply better. For some…

Do you use soap to wash your hands? or just rinse them off with water (especially if you happened to get a little on you)?

Do you then pick up your chicken wings or pork ribs with your butt cheeks and stick them into your mouth, proceeding to lick off the excess sauce/grease?

I have just demonstrated why your example has a complete lack of logic or value.

FWIW, I use a baby wipe. This uses less water and about the same amount of paper. it actually does a little better job, is quicker and far more economical. My toilet will last 40 years with about 10% of the purchase and maintenance costs. I also carry wipes around to use in public restrooms so while you may get clean at home, I get clean on the road as well.

I mainly do this because I have itching/chapping issues if I don't.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by pantalaimon »

enscr wrote: post #124
baddox wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did I miss? OP is arguing that we should wash our behinds for the same reason that we wash our hands. Yet the reason we wash our hands is to reduce a threat that does not exist (at least, not as readily) for our behinds. And now semantic satiation has kicked in for "behind."

I think OP meant that washing is good for personal hygiene i.e. not carrying pathogens smeared around on your skin/clothes.

But to prove that claim OP would have to show that people who just wipe their asses are more often sick than those who wash it each time.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by po »

veidr wrote: post #72
ekianjo wrote: post #28

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> Japanese toilets are simply better. For some bizarre reason we've resisted adopting them here. It boggles the mind. They are not cheap in Japan, by the way. If you buy a new apartment they are included by default(these companies work like Mafia to secure contracts with new apartment complex builders), but new ones you buy directly from TOTO are like... "what?" when you see their prices.

A specific data point: the (pretty good) Japanese toilet I have retails for about $2,600.00 US. http://item.rakuten.co.jp/sumailab/ces9896px/?scid=af_pc_etc...

Neorest... pshhh. Time to upgrade, Mason!

The Satis is controlled by your smartphone (which you have to admit you'll probably already have in your hand anyway) so you don't have to touch that filthy control panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8LutKUTO4

(also shows an animation of the sprayer thingy)

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by po »

sjtrny wrote: post #17
madsushi wrote: post #9

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Especially in rural areas, where I would say 9 out of 10 people leave their shoes on inside the house.

Really? Wouldn't it make even more sense to remove shoes if you live in a rural area where you are more likely to be stomping through mud.

really... I don't get it now but it made sense when I went to visit my family.

Now that I live in Japan, I can say that it is really weird when I go back home. I usually take my shoes off and every now and then I step in a wet foot print from someone who just came inside from the rain and really wonder why it is like that.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by po »

veidr wrote: post #2

This is one of those things that long-time expats that live in Japan often take back with them when they leave. Another is the practice of removing your (utterly filthy, inevitably) outdoor shoes when you enter the house. I read Shogun as a kid (great book, for a little kid) and going back home to the USA and using the toilet there always reminds me of the scenes where the European sailors that shipwrecked in Japan s…

A few years ago we had to call an ambulance for a medical emergency for a family member (in Tokyo). When the ambulance came, all three EMT workers dutifully slipped their shoes off as they came in. They all had old sneakers so loosely laced that they were basically slippers.

Slip-on shoes are basically a must-have thing in Japan.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by chaostheory »

VexXtreme wrote: post #118
chaostheory wrote: post #103

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As I've already mentioned, it's the labor that's expensive in either time or money since there are pipes behind the drywall that you're going to rip apart. Also some people put tile over their drywall, the very people more likely to buy an expensive Japanese toilet. We're talking a few thousand dollars.

Sorry to say this but it sounds like you're just trying to come up with any and all excuses to shoot down a valid idea.

I'm just trying to convey my experiences with bathroom remodeling on my own house. Anyone is free to listen or ignore my advice.

I never said it wasn't a valid idea. It's just a hard and expensive one. You guys will find out once you become home owners in the future. Also a Japanese toilet costs the same as a cheap car. If you haven't already guessed, I wanted one for my bathroom for years now. It's just not practical.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by enscr »

colin_jack wrote: post #126
enscr wrote: post #71

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If you remove your shoes outside and walk barefoot, you're just sharing the sweat, dirt & germs of your foot with everyone else at home & guests. You'll probably take that to bed with you and sometimes sleep on it. If you must leave your shoes outside, wear an 'inside-only' slippers.

You keep your socks on so that's not really an issue. I personally don't let anyone wear shoes in our house, I don't know what they've stepped on so I don't want them dragging anything over the floors and carpets.

Socks doesn't fix the problem completely. Unfortunately, visitors don't like being told that they can keep the socks on while walking on the carpet, but if they are to sit on the bed or put the feet up on the couch, they should take it off.

Don't even feel like discussing how clean are fresh are everyone's socks.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by enscr »

pantalaimon wrote: post #142
enscr wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP meant that washing is good for personal hygiene i.e. not carrying pathogens smeared around on your skin/clothes.

But to prove that claim OP would have to show that people who just wipe their asses are more often sick than those who wash it each time.

So personal hygiene is a no-no until you can prove that you can get sick?

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by CGudapati »

Omniusaspirer wrote: post #140
CGudapati wrote: post #130

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I still don't use toilet paper. I used one when I had access to it(in a hotel). I knew toilet paper existed as once when I saw it in movies or read about it.

Can I inquire as to where you grew up? I've genuinely never heard of anyone using just their hand, but I suppose it makes sense for poorer parts of the world. (no offense intended whatsoever)

India. No offense taken. FWIW, I can afford toilet paper. I just don't use it as I am habituated to using my hand. In case you are wondering, I can guarantee that the number of people who use their hand to clean their bottoms is much more than the combined population of USA.

Re: Japanese Toilets: The Future Called 30 Years Ago

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Post by DanBC »

azatris wrote: post #36
enko wrote: post #3

After using the toilet, do you wash your hands, or just wipe them? You've just demonstrated why washing toilets are superior. I cannot understand our misplaced, hollow pride in not adopting something which simply works better. I've even heard some especially crazy people try to say the japanese toilets are "perverted" - the hold tradition has on some people is just insane. Japanese toilets are simply better. For some…

I've used a Japanese toilet and for me the hand washing facility attached to it is meaningless as I do not understand why would anyone ever wash their hands with cold water. Especially I do not understand people who simply wash their hands by dipping them into cold water for a second. But maybe the culture of washing hands with warm water and soap is merely in North Europe. And maybe I am illusioned by the effectiven…

The standing water is likely to be more worrying than the temperature of the water.

http://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-handwashi...

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